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Negative Balance shock..! Please read..

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Pohbis
Neo T.E.C.H.
#81 - 2012-04-18 17:46:11 UTC  |  Edited by: Pohbis
CCP does IP-bans for some violations. They ban the kids account, they'll catch the fathers account in the same net.

This actually begs the question, what is CCPs policy on this?

Violations go against the account-holder. But some of their measures can actually punish another account holder in the same household – or on a shared network.
Tri Vetra
Native Freshfood
Minmatar Republic
#82 - 2012-04-18 17:51:21 UTC
Killer Gandry wrote:
And yes, people who support RMT are scum of the earth for any gaming cummonity.
Be it willingly support RMT or enable others to support RMT. Both is unacceptable.

This isn't trolling from my part but just the harsh reality as I see it.


people who buy isk are literally al quada if reagan was alive right now this won't have been a problem praise jesus
Simetraz
State War Academy
Caldari State
#83 - 2012-04-18 18:10:02 UTC
OP, Well I wish I could feel sorry for you but based on your post.

I am having a hard time believing any bit of your story.

If it is true .....maybe you should let your wife deal with all the bills and any important desicions cause just WOW.
Gorki Andropov
I Dn't Knw Wht You Wnt Bt I Cn't Gve It Anymre
#84 - 2012-04-18 18:24:28 UTC
Killer Gandry wrote:
Gorki Andropov wrote:
Killer Gandry wrote:
And yes, people who support RMT are scum of the earth for any gaming cummonity.




What's your stance on sperging meatheads who didn't get a dictionary for Christmas and can't give articles their proper day in the sun?


e: I love all of these people calling RMTers 'scum' - as if that's really the worst thing in the world. I suppose murderers get off with a mere 'He's been quite bad today'.


Learn to read. Scum of the earth for any GAMING COMMUNITY. (thought I would make it a tad more readable for you)

So you really want to discus sperging meatheads?




I notice you didn't offer any sort of rebuttal to my first point. Thanks!
Xercodo
Cruor Angelicus
#85 - 2012-04-18 18:39:54 UTC  |  Edited by: Xercodo
Caeled Vorchaz wrote:
Well, I am truly saddened by these rude pithy comments that are totaly uncalled for. Is this the world we now live in when its so easy to insult people and be disgustingly rude beyond words that morality dosent even enter into the equation.? The younger generation have no concept of respect and these replies are proof of that. Its a pitty we now live in such a horrid world.

If letting my now 18 year old son use MY account on MY computer is against EVE policy then CCP have truly gone way to far..

Lets see what they have to say. I wont post anymore because clearly asking for help is the wrong thing to do these days. Perhaps I should have yelled fire and got a more positive response.





Yes this is what we were trying to tell you. And CCP has been this way from the beginning iirc. The reasoning for this is because of the relationship CCP has with your bank account an such. The other problem is that the nature of EVE means that account sharing is VERY prone to theft and so if you were to claim that items were missing or that your account was stolen altogether then CCP would have even more reason to not help you and just ban you cause you broke the rules to prevent it in the first place.

What you can do like others has stated is to buy a PLEX (with your son's money of course) and sell it on the market using an alt or a corp wallet and then transfer it over to the effected character. You should be 200 mill or so in the green.

The purpose of the punishment in the form of a negative wallet is to make it VERY clear to NOT ever do it. Hell you could even make your son earn it back by making him rat in belts or do some missions or something so that he learns the lesson well.

As for the attitude you're getting from this thread, well I think you're getting a negative response from us cause we're picking up a bit of a self-entitlement complex from you. If you've played EVE as long as you say that account has been open you'd already know this about the community. We're both one of the most helpful and ruthless communities the internet has to offer for a gaming community.

ESPECIALLY when talking in places like GD or CAOD. You'd likely have had a MUCH better response in the New Citizen's Q&A and even though you aren't a "New Citizen" by any means it doesn't mean you can't ask questions there. I will admit though, NCQ&A still has its trolls and you'll have to take some advice with a grain of salt but most of us in there genuinely want to help. I guess we just sometimes like to reprimand you a little bit to make it stick :P

Let me put it this way regarding account sharing. What would happen if your son was driving you car around an wrecked it when he didn't have a license or insurance? I don't think anyone would be happy about that. If you wanted to let your son be able to use your almost 10 year old character you should have made him his own account and transferred over the character so that everything was legit. The consequences you're getting how are a combination of your own lapse of judgement as well as your son's.

The Drake is a Lie

Whambot
Caldari Provisions
Caldari State
#86 - 2012-04-18 18:42:28 UTC
Caeled Vorchaz wrote:
Well, I am truly saddened by these rude pithy comments that are totaly uncalled for. Is this the world we now live in when its so easy to insult people and be disgustingly rude beyond words that morality dosent even enter into the equation.? The younger generation have no concept of respect and these replies are proof of that. Its a pitty we now live in such a horrid world.

If letting my now 18 year old son use MY account on MY computer is against EVE policy then CCP have truly gone way to far..

Lets see what they have to say. I wont post anymore because clearly asking for help is the wrong thing to do these days. Perhaps I should have yelled fire and got a more positive response.


I love how you go right to the "kids these days" stereotype. You're just clueless about the EVE forums. Most video game forums are flame wars but EVE's is probably one of the worst. The majority of EVE players I've run in to are in their 20s-30s (myself included) many with children of their own. Generalizing doesnt make you look any better.

Posting this and not expecting a negative response is like going on Jerry Springer and expecting a thoughful, openminded discussion.
I'm suprised you ONLY got debted 300mil. In any other game your account would have been banned no questions asked so count yourself thankful, CCP has already been kind to you as far as I can tell.
Urgg Boolean
Center for Advanced Studies
Gallente Federation
#87 - 2012-04-18 19:53:55 UTC
I have not read all the posts, but a lot.

My questions is whether or not the ability to sell/xfer the toons on the account was locked due to this infraction? I'm just curious.

As far as compensating for the fines: no big deal. If you have a BS, run L4s. If you're paranoid about incurring losses, run L3s in your BS. I'm sure you have some resources left over, so use them. Ratz drop reppers so you can repair for free.

Really, grind thorugh some L4s and you'll be in the black again soon and saving for pirate mods...
Ch3244
Native Freshfood
Minmatar Republic
#88 - 2012-04-18 20:14:54 UTC
ill jita trade u 300 mil for some nice things
Sidrun
Life sucks then you die Ltd.
#89 - 2012-04-18 20:16:26 UTC
If Eve Online had even a good fraction of the subs that say WoW has, the game would be an unplayable mess, and I'm sure CCP knows that. There's a reason WoW has a zillion servers.
Micheal Dietrich
Kings Gambit Black
#90 - 2012-04-18 20:18:33 UTC
Sidrun wrote:
If Eve Online had even a good fraction of the subs that say WoW has, the game would be an unplayable mess, and I'm sure CCP knows that. There's a reason WoW has a zillion servers.



The ****...

What a random statement.

Out of Pod is getting In the Pod - Join in game channel **IG OOPE **

Alua Oresson
Aegis Ascending
Solyaris Chtonium
#91 - 2012-04-18 20:19:23 UTC
Caeled Vorchaz wrote:
Well, I am truly saddened by these rude pithy comments that are totaly uncalled for. Is this the world we now live in when its so easy to insult people and be disgustingly rude beyond words that morality dosent even enter into the equation.? The younger generation have no concept of respect and these replies are proof of that. Its a pitty we now live in such a horrid world.

If letting my now 18 year old son use MY account on MY computer is against EVE policy then CCP have truly gone way to far..

Lets see what they have to say. I wont post anymore because clearly asking for help is the wrong thing to do these days. Perhaps I should have yelled fire and got a more positive response.



You allow your son to play the game. He engages in RMT on your account. Then you come on the forums crying about the ramifications of what your son has done and expect a positive response? You should be grateful that your account wasn't permabanned.

As an FYI, your account is negative because all the money that was RMT'd was taken back. Since you are such an old character you should have friends that could help you out. I'm sure they will understand that it was your son that was the RMT and not you. It is also a good thing you talked about this on the forums. No halfway decent corp will take you now after a forum search.

http://pvpwannabe.blogspot.com/

Herping yourDerp
Tribal Liberation Force
Minmatar Republic
#92 - 2012-04-18 21:31:26 UTC
make a new account and character
steal $30 from kids wallet
buy plex on alt, sell plex in game
you will now have 1bil on the alt
send 1bil to your old account with the negative 300mil

you will now have isk. congratz..

since its such a small ammount i assume you are telling the truth, who buys a few hundred mill isk anyway.
Ai Shun
#93 - 2012-04-18 22:39:31 UTC
I am not a fan of people that engage in RMT. They hurt the economy of the games they play and have a negative impact on my experience and that of other players. Foisting the blame on another person that have gained access to the account through yourself against the Terms of Service / End User License Agreement does not matter. It just seems like an attempt to deflect the blame.

No sympathy here.

Markus Reese
Deep Core Mining Inc.
Caldari State
#94 - 2012-04-18 22:55:05 UTC
Caeled Vorchaz wrote:
Well, I am truly saddened by these rude pithy comments that are totaly uncalled for. Is this the world we now live in when its so easy to insult people and be disgustingly rude beyond words that morality dosent even enter into the equation.? The younger generation have no concept of respect and these replies are proof of that. Its a pitty we now live in such a horrid world.

If letting my now 18 year old son use MY account on MY computer is against EVE policy then CCP have truly gone way to far..

Lets see what they have to say. I wont post anymore because clearly asking for help is the wrong thing to do these days. Perhaps I should have yelled fire and got a more positive response.


The main reason they don't zero balance is that in terms of RMT, it wouldn't really be a punishment since if a person spends said isk, there might not be any loss. giving the direct loss means that it cannot be bypassed or abused. As for the EULA, it is possible they would enforce, but not likely. By putting such a clause in, it negates issues that arrive from account sharing and ccp responsibility for security, losses, etc.

To quote Lfod Shi

The ratting itself is PvE. Getting away with it is PvP.

Raiz Nhell
PeregrineXII
#95 - 2012-04-18 23:00:18 UTC
I'm sorry, you're here whinging about the punishment you received for cheating, and you think there is a lack of respect?

I'm pretty sure you need to look a little bit closer to the keyboard to find a lack of respect.

Cheaters get all the respect they deserve, whinging cheaters get slightly less.

There is no such thing as a fair fight...

If your fighting fair you have automatically put yourself at a disadvantage.

ChaseTheLasers
Ekchuah's Shrine Comporium
#96 - 2012-04-18 23:52:27 UTC  |  Edited by: ChaseTheLasers
300M?

My Offer: Waiting till your son is asleep and throwing the biggest bucket of cold water you can over him while shouting "Thats for RMTing you nugget". Youtubed = 300M

Yes, I'm serious. I'll even offer to use a trusted 3rd party to hold the ISK so you can be sure you will be out of your negative balance.

Just post a reply. If others want to chip into the pot, feel free.
Justice Comes
Doomheim
#97 - 2012-04-19 00:29:50 UTC  |  Edited by: Justice Comes
I say it all the time... never ever let your kids use any of your stuff, esPECIALLY your computer. They cannot be trusted!

If your story is true, what we have here is a classic case of a Parent Tax. These hidden fees will crop up from time to time, but always lead back to the bad decision to have children.



:p

Most annoying thing of the week: You failed to dock/jump because you are cloaked (in your Deep Space Transport).

Ch3244
Native Freshfood
Minmatar Republic
#98 - 2012-04-19 01:38:17 UTC
jita 4-4 msg me.

ill trade u the isk you need for some nice loot.
Gogela
Epic Ganking Time
CODE.
#99 - 2012-04-19 01:41:17 UTC
lol!

Tool.

Signatures should be used responsibly...

Katja Faith
Doomheim
#100 - 2012-04-19 01:41:58 UTC
Caeled Vorchaz wrote:
ShootsBlues McAwoxer wrote:
buy a plex, take the cost out of your son's allowance, done deal. No need to run to the forum and compose posts that just make you look pathetic.


Jesus Christ the lack of general respect is just shocking these day. You sir clearly need a morality check..


WTF have you done to earn (yeah, EARN) anyone's respect? Buying ISK? Yeah, that'll earn you heaps of respect. Biomass, delete account, open new account with different credit card. Problem solved (until "your son" buys more isk).