Crime & Punishment

Just where and what is the actually punishment in this game?

Being bad gets u a low sec status, dosnt stop people at -10 from shopping in jita or other trade hubs.

They get shot by concord for agressing in high sec or just being to slow on the warp button when there traveling.

Other than those there are no real punishments for those who play at pirates, like to greif, the weird and the totaly insane people.

So try not to troll and compose a list of what the -10 sec status actualy does!

You pretty much highlighted the downsides of negative sec status.

Pretty much rules out all high-sec activities (missions/incursions/mining). It makes logistics a nightmare, since you cant just auto-pilot through highsec to get from one place to another, you can do it sure, but you have to be at your PC the whole time, and when you have to move 40+ jumps, its a nightmare. Simple things you take for granted like being able to just pop over to Jita and buy something is also out of the question.

The downsides are pretty significant for having negative sec status, try it and I bet you 'n' isk that your next post will be a whine about how bad pirates with negative sec status have it.

I've had two characters who lived in low-sec and ended up with sec status "issues" and I can safely say that being -10 means nothing. Everyone who has -10 characters has alts that do their high-sec stuff for them.

Even if you locked the gates so that they couldn't jump into high-sec at all it would make no difference.

Moreover, being -10 actually has *advantages* in low-sec becuase it's easier to get people to fight with you around stations and gates. In this way, going -10 isn't a problem at all... it's acutally liberating if what you want is to PVP.

The only thing that potentially sucks about poor sec status is when you need to fix it. I moved one of my characters into a null-sec alliance that used high-sec routes for moving fleets around, so I needed to fix it.......and grinding back from -10 to -2 was the most boring thing I've *ever* done.

I do not have a supply problem in low sec...refined tears build my canes.

I guess it would matter what you thought "being bad" was.

Be it shooting unarmed haulers or scaming people for billions... sec status doesn't really reflect "good and bad" people.

And you are correct there isn't any real punishment for people who greif, undercut prices, scam, pray on newbies and generaly conduct buisness as usual in Jita.

If we link "being bad" to sec status, you would find Jita sadly empty...

Its all really a matter of perspective.

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Right.

What would you call people who mine/run missions 24/7 then? Those fit my assumption of the weird more than pirates, but i'd never go as far as calling anyone insane for doing what they prefer.
In the same breath, with your method of approach I could call you weird and insane for making statements like this.

Anyway, I will still try and list what I consider to be the disadvantages.

-10. No easy high sec access. Shopping has to be done on alts, or via the favors or allies/corpmates.
Sure, you can fly through high sec, but anything bigger than a frigate is just going to get shot to pieces.

Sentry guns, not exactly your greatest ally in low sec when engaged on gates/stations.

If you DO want to get back in highsec when you've hit -10, you will feel the punishment when getting your secstatus back up.

Aside from this, no real issues *shrug*

You fly cruisers? only thing I ever see -10s fly about in higsec are pods and shuttles (and one dude in a thrasher)

/grabs popcorn

a.) This is exactly the reason you're targeted. You come off as weak and trying to turn this game into a single player theater park game. If you where at least a Yarbear (half carebear, half PVPer) I'd have at least a modicum of respect for you.

b.) You probably won't need a point. If I'm caught on the gate you can still shoot and hope that the faction police scram me and you can get on the killmail. Of course you don't because of your reason "a.)" and that allows me to fly through highsec without a care in the universe.

c.) You're an idiot and unaware of game mechanics like most carebears are. If I'm -10 and come through the gate, I have to GTFO quick before the Navy nabs me. If you aggro me, I'm unlikely to attack back, and it's very doubtful I have 20 friends on the otherside unless they are in gank Catalysts and we are heading to blow up a bunch of miners. Either way, your odds of surviving that fight are probably 99.9% because 1.) They are in small ships with crappy range and probably can't hit you from 15km away from the gate, and 2.) If they aggro you they will get Concorded pretty quickly, and 3.) My 20 other buddies, which in 99 times out of 100 I don't have while in highsec, wouldn't be sitting on the otherside of a highsec gate because if they dawdle around like that they get killed by the Navy.

d.) Lack of education is no excuse. It takes all of what, 30 mins to learn nearly all you really need to about aggression mechanics. Either way, you have the Navy on your side and don't have much to worry about. If I where foolish enough to escalate a fight I'd have so much Navy spawning on me that it'd be like a chick in the middle of a bukakke circle.