Out of Pod Experience

Everybody except you anyway, until very close to the end, when you partially understood what we kept saying all along

Note that "almost surely" means a probability so close to 100% that it's nearly indistinguishable from it, and that formulation is only required because technically, one can not actually reach infinity, so there's always a nearly completely negligible chance (but still not quite absolutely zero) of something weird happening up to any given point in the series of tries.

Or, in different words, the probability to roll 50 consecutive heads in the very first 50 tries, while already minuscule, it's still much higher than the probability to NOT have rolled 10,000,000,000 consecutive heads when "approaching" an infinite number of flips.

I think *somebody* wants to train monkeys to make eve-bots.... just saying.

wat

lol egos.

I think people are forgetting that after a few million years of pounding away on typewriters, the monkeys would evolve into something with enough mental capacity to understand how typewriters work, develop archaeology, discover Shakespeare works (or Eve Online) and then some (nerd) grad student post-evolved-monkey would translate the ancient English text (code) into whatever languages that the post-evolved monkeys would speak or run Eve Online in an emulator on the Banana-tosh.

edit: Also, there's nothing holy about thread necromancy.

The monkey thing, the coin thing and the 1010101 thing were all up for debate... you are just angry that an actual experiment came along and proved how stupid the idea of infinite monkeys writing hamlet truly is. To bad indeed



When I saw this little gem of a experiment, I was happy that this thread was still bounceable!

Is there anything in the EULA against making accounts for monkeys. I think that as long as you don't share the account with the monkey you should be OK. With an infinite number of monkeys, at some point, one of them is gonna make a trillion and give it to you.

The "infinite monkeys" idea assumes that the monkeys know what they typewriter does. Maybe they've seen a person use it and are trying to mimic, or maybe they're just tapping away at the keyboard because they like the noise or motion. It doesn't matter. There's a condition to the scenario that you're deliberately ignoring.

Don't thinking apes could learn to use a typewriter?

You must not have heard of Michael and Koko.

http://www.artistsezine.com/WhyGorilla.htm

Not everyone gets the metaphore part, more people think that it is really a theory about monkeys and typewriters because of the wording and how the idea is conveyed. Half the people who support it think that it is really real.





Just as the genius in question failed to mention that there are far to many variables with regards to monkey behavior to calculate, he also failed to postulate that the very idea of randomization may have far more factors involved in it's ultimate output then people realize. That in itself could forbid certain things from happening in the real world, regardless of what the "math" says.



So monkeys have greater complexity.
The universe just might too.



And to quote my favorite debate team champion axiom, the burden of proof is on you. But since it would take infinity to prove your hypothesis, I guess your insane proposition is "safe" and thus cannot be refuted until infinity finally arrives. Kind of like string theory really...



Also
How can you be completely certain that no additional factors come into play with regards to the outcome of a random sequence? Is their any known mechanism that could truly represent a completely random output of values? Has anyone ever seen them repeat to the level of replicating a large literary work or a complex binary code that is so many digits long? ?


If it takes more time for hamlet or the code to world of warcraft to appear then there are years in the universe, how can you really know?


You can’t, and because you can’t it is just a theory waiting to be proven. Except in this case you cannot prove your theory. At least not in the sense that matters--in the form of a physical observation. In any science it is the physical that has the final say and until that happens it remains only theoretical.

I like monkeys.