Crime & Punishment

The answer to this is.. they are easy targets. It requires **** all skill to do it. They wont do anything back like bring 50 friends as those 50 friends are miners.
Also to add to those who say this is a pvp game and hurr durr hurr. YES EvE has pvp but it's not all about shooting each other. If you're after that go play CoD with 12 year olds I'm sure you will fit in well. .01 isk is pvp as two traders are fighting over market dominance and miners do the same with who can fill the orders or get all the good mins form the belt. If you think that's not pvp neither is you outnumber someone 10:1.
So next time you think a miner is stupid for not playing the game this "right" way. Ask your self what YOU do for a living? What sit at some cubicle and do a mindless task? sell **** to while having to wearing a uniform? That's mining and I don't see people stopping that any time soon

You bring up some valid points, but you're looking at it from the standpoint that you're ganking to make ISK. The vast majority of the gankers in this game do it because they want to generate tears. It's just too close the the school yard bully mentality for me.



No it had more risk, because if I could easily find him then anyone could and there's no way of knowing who's in system because there is no local chat (you don't show up in local unless you're dumb enough to type in it). AFK cloakers don't hang out in W space...



I think both are equally neutered, although the risk are higher in that null blob cause odds are you're fighting in a warp disruption bubble. As a high sec ganker you can pimp out your pod and not have to worry about losing your implants. Most of the pods I see in W space look like this.

One of the reasons I've never played any other MMO is because of the non consensual PVP -there are risks everywhere. But the level of ganking, or actually bullying, in the game has gotten out of hand and the game mechanics favor the peeps who grief (still do, even with the recent changes).

Why the hate for miners? You ask, i will tell you ;-)
In all the years i've been playing MMOs, i can say there are two kinds of folks. First group play the game to enjoy the content. Second group is looking for challenges
The first group is in EVE called carebears. The second are PvP players - and no matter whether they are shooting each other or fight for position on the market, both is challenging, both requires a lot of time to master and both erquires hell of a dedication and spirit
Now, lets see mining. It is activity everyone has to do. Those who enjoy the content, they get a ship and mine. They may not care much about the general purpose of minerals and its place in EVE economy, nor their efficiency, they just enjoy the beautifull graphical design of mining laser and in one or two hours, they are happy they are more wealthy than they were before they started mining
But the PvP players? You know, they have to mine too! This is when it gets interesting. Never mind if you are challenge seeking player or total carebear, both have to do the same thing: board the hulk, get to the belt, click the laser button and ... wait. And wait. And wait

The thing is, mining is freakin boring. It is dull. Compare it to other things in eve! Pvp? Excitement! Profi industry? Manager's heaven. Exploration? Like a candy box, you never know which one you will pick next! And how does totaly dull activity called "mining" fall in line with that? You click one button and simply wait the asteroid into oblivion. Fun? Not really

Now. Given mining has been designated less fun than any other activity, let's see the impact.
Carebears don't scream much about mining. It is dull, but makes them somehow rich and you can be AFK. Still it isn't particularly fun and is desperate when soloing. So, carebears whine a bit, because it is repetitive (the worst kind of being anything). But only a bit
And PvPers, the folks who seeks challenge? Simple. They MUST mine to get their ships and stuff, but there is totaly no challenge in mining. You are not particularly rewarded for doing it well, all you need to do is click and wait. And wait. Where is the challenge in that? PvPers seek challenges, pushing them to do something where is no reward for doing it well is the very oposite of what any reasonable EVE player wants

So there is your answer, why the hate - because mining is the most boring thing we simply must do to play the game.

Now, how to change it
On fanfest some CCP guy promised us asteroid belts, which will be kind of a pve event, something the EVE needs for industrials (pve folks have incursions, pvp folks have sovereignity system and FW, industrialists need something like that too).
In my opinion it is a step on a good path, but frankly, having an amazing pve event is less exciting when you realise that for playing it you need to use the same old boring repetitive mechanics you hate most than anything else (fanfest data).
That is why i proposed some sort of minigame being introduced for mining. Some minigame that will let you scan the asteroid and aim for most profitable parts of it to increase the yield, when scanning the rock could be similar to scanning for anomalies (instead one would look for extra rich parts of the rock) and landing the mining laser could be like PI extractor placement. The idea behind this would not be to increase the overall ammount of ore mined, but to somehow reward the folks for doing it actively, and giving them promise that if you do it particularly right and your folks do the same too, you will be much better off, and it will be a challenge. But who knows what CCP has planeed for us.

In Canada, we call it "The Forces". (this in both official languages).

I did not swing the guy. When someone present on the scene indicated he started peeing on himself, I just figured I did not need to. We all had a good laught at him though.

And yes, you can touch my biceps. In fact, you can touch me anywhere you want as long as you do it gently.

No no no... that's down here in the States. Cananananda is more enlightened than that, an' all that stuff.

I think he meant the miners doit for the luls and because they can. Cause thats the way i see it. Miners gonna mine. Whiners gonna whine.

Well if they stoped hiding i would stop the hate. If you go to low/0.0 there is a very small chance to kill a miner but probably not. The only real place to kill miners is high sec and the best way is suicide ganking.

This made me laugh

Because, it is easier to destroy than create.