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Why all the hate for miners?
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MIkhail Illiad
Fevered Imaginings
#1 - 2012-04-17 13:43:09 UTC
OK I'm confused, I don't mine myself but reading through the forums there seems to be a hell of a lot of unwarranted hatred towards miners and industrialists. (Note: this is not an anti-Hulkageddon thread, I think Hulkageddon is hilarious as I just stand on the sidelines and watch with popcorn at the readyLol)
I can understand the hate for botters and I applaud any and all attempts to rid them from New Eden. And I can also understand why people don't like the guys who have a bazillion mining alts, but the hate for the average guy in his Hulk who just mines his minerals while chatting to his corp mates so he can build a ship or two seems totally unreasonable to me.

Now as I said I don't mine myself so this is not tears or whining, I am just puzzled as to why people seem to loathe miners so much as to want to drive them from the game. Miners are a key part of the EvE economy (like it or not) without them bearing away there wouldn't be as many ships /modules/ammo etc on the market for us to blow each other up in.

I or one can't be bothered mining the minerals to build even a frigate let alone a battleship so I say fair play to those who can and aren't using macros and bots to do it.

So I ask you the denizens of C&P, why all the hate yo?

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Dead Loss
Republic University
Minmatar Republic
#2 - 2012-04-17 13:58:03 UTC
They let carebears, whiners and miners in Rote now ?

What has this game come to.
Astroniomix
School of Applied Knowledge
Caldari State
#3 - 2012-04-17 14:04:33 UTC
MIkhail Illiad wrote:
OK I'm confused, I don't mine myself but reading through the forums there seems to be a hell of a lot of unwarranted hatred towards miners and industrialists. (Note: this is not an anti-Hulkageddon thread, I think Hulkageddon is hilarious as I just stand on the sidelines and watch with popcorn at the readyLol)
I can understand the hate for botters and I applaud any and all attempts to rid them from New Eden. And I can also understand why people don't like the guys who have a bazillion mining alts, but the hate for the average guy in his Hulk who just mines his minerals while chatting to his corp mates so he can build a ship or two seems totally unreasonable to me.

Now as I said I don't mine myself so this is not tears or whining, I am just puzzled as to why people seem to loathe miners so much as to want to drive them from the game. Miners are a key part of the EvE economy (like it or not) without them bearing away there wouldn't be as many ships /modules/ammo etc on the market for us to blow each other up in.

I or one can't be bothered mining the minerals to build even a frigate let alone a battleship so I say fair play to those who can and aren't using macros and bots to do it.

So I ask you the denizens of C&P, why all the hate yo?

There apears to be this irrational hate for any form of isk making done in highsec. Many appear to just assume it's "risk free isk".
MIkhail Illiad
Fevered Imaginings
#4 - 2012-04-17 14:05:25 UTC  |  Edited by: Mikhail Illiad
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Dead Loss said:

They let carebears, whiners and miners in Rote now ?

What has this game come to.


Not carebearing or whining or mining, please learn to read before posting, was trying to engage in a discussion about what I see as a pointless hatred of miners... I now see the error in my ways of trying to do that here vOv

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MIkhail Illiad
Fevered Imaginings
#5 - 2012-04-17 14:15:35 UTC
@ Astroniomix

I can understand a dislike for so called risk free ISK making, but there is allways gonna be a way that you can make ISK in eve without having to be 100% focused on what you are doing be it Mining, PI, Moon Mining, Datacores, Invention or whatever.

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Drake Draconis
Brutor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#6 - 2012-04-17 14:39:31 UTC
Its complete bull####

They do it because they can and its for lol's.


All other reasoning beyond that is a waste of time to even think about.

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Astroniomix
School of Applied Knowledge
Caldari State
#7 - 2012-04-17 14:50:18 UTC
Drake Draconis wrote:
Its complete bull####

They do it because they can and its for lol's.


All other reasoning beyond that is a waste of time to even think about.

I don't think the question was why people suicide gank. (wich is largly for the lols and to refill the tear jar) But why some people appear to HATE miners and other highsec pve players.
Tauren Tom
Order of the Silver Dragons
Silver Dragonz
#8 - 2012-04-17 14:53:15 UTC
Artificial inflation by autocannon.

It's market control :) my ore is more valuable when others die for it.
In the grand scheme of things... You're all pubbies. So HTFU.   "It's 106 miles to Chicago, we got a full tank of gas, half a pack of cigarettes, it's dark... and we're wearing sunglasses." - Elwood Blues
Sutskop
Republic Military School
Minmatar Republic
#9 - 2012-04-17 14:58:39 UTC
1. It's a PVP game, and they are not playing the game like I think it should be played.
2. It's boring as hell, so whoever does it is a pathetic gamer and should go back to Solitaire.

I think it's mainly about those two. No, that is not my opinion.
uwai223
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#10 - 2012-04-17 15:04:05 UTC
I don't hate miners, I HUG them. They are so plushy.

We are required by our constitution to let the voters think they have a choice. That's democracy!
Sutskop
Republic Military School
Minmatar Republic
#11 - 2012-04-17 15:14:16 UTC
Oh, I think the most relevant would be - and I can relate to this a bit:

3. They constantly demand full protection in hisec, whine to CCP about it, and CCP listens.
Lyron-Baktos
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#12 - 2012-04-17 15:17:29 UTC
people that hate one class of the Eve population because they don't like their play style are basically morons and you should just ignore them. If someone wants to mine/carebear all day, who cares? They are having fun. If someone PVP's all day in 0.0, who cares? They are having fun
Lyron-Baktos
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#13 - 2012-04-17 15:18:31 UTC
Sutskop wrote:
Oh, I think the most relevant would be - and I can relate to this a bit:

3. They constantly demand full protection in hisec, whine to CCP about it, and CCP listens.


don't blame the care bears for this, blame CCP. 0.0 players complain just as much, they just don't get listened to much P
Lyron-Baktos
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#14 - 2012-04-17 15:20:01 UTC
Sutskop wrote:
1. It's a PVP game, and they are not playing the game like I think it should be played.
2. It's boring as hell, so whoever does it is a pathetic gamer and should go back to Solitaire.

I think it's mainly about those two. No, that is not my opinion.


Ahhh, so because someone doesn't play the game the way you think it should be played, they are pathetic?Roll

OP, this is a person that you should ignore as I described in my first post.
Sutskop
Republic Military School
Minmatar Republic
#15 - 2012-04-17 15:24:34 UTC
Lyron-Baktos wrote:
Sutskop wrote:
1. It's a PVP game, and they are not playing the game like I think it should be played.
2. It's boring as hell, so whoever does it is a pathetic gamer and should go back to Solitaire.

I think it's mainly about those two. No, that is not my opinion.


Ahhh, so because someone doesn't play the game the way you think it should be played, they are pathetic?Roll


Not sure if just unable to read or stupid. Bolded the important part for you.
Katja Faith
Doomheim
#16 - 2012-04-17 15:26:00 UTC  |  Edited by: Katja Faith
MIkhail Illiad wrote:
Now as I said I don't mine myself so this is not tears or whining, I am just puzzled as to why people seem to loathe miners so much as to want to drive them from the game.


Because they're playing their own game, and not the way the pew-pew'ers think it should be played. But it's just about guaranteed that every big strong he-man pew-pew'er flashing his nutsack on the forums has one or more miners/industrialists on the side that they never talk about.

It's a lot like someone playing at being straight, but is deeply closeted the whole time... Just look at the toons: intimidating, pierced, trying to look what they think "cool" is... It's all just over-compensating for--- well, you get it.
Lyron-Baktos
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#17 - 2012-04-17 15:28:42 UTC
Sutskop wrote:
Lyron-Baktos wrote:
Sutskop wrote:
1. It's a PVP game, and they are not playing the game like I think it should be played.
2. It's boring as hell, so whoever does it is a pathetic gamer and should go back to Solitaire.

I think it's mainly about those two. No, that is not my opinion.


Ahhh, so because someone doesn't play the game the way you think it should be played, they are pathetic?Roll


Not sure if just unable to read or stupid. Bolded the important part for you.


Missed the last line, my bad

just goes to show that those reasons are very popular, however ignorant they are.
Hortense Sledgemallet
Doomheim
#18 - 2012-04-17 15:59:03 UTC
Bottom line is that these guys only care about the killboard.
They want Eve changes and additions to revolve around that.
They do not want CCP devs wasting time on mining ships and research labs.
Its the Kill Board Boys way or the highway.

Recently I created an alt and flew around begging for ISK.
A guy convoed me and said he would give me 20 mill if I promised to never mine because mining was for ***s and this is a PVP only game.
Immortis Vexx
Onyx Moon Industries
#19 - 2012-04-17 16:09:27 UTC
Most of the official points have been displayed here but I can think of one more. Hating miners gives people the excuse to kill them. There is a class of PVPr out there that knows that they can't hang with the big boys so they have to pick on the cripples. Thus they rage about how miners are filth and they hate them because of whatever reason their cracked brain can come up with. It is all nonsense though and they pick on miners simply because miners can't fight back. I've also seen the claim made that they are simply culling bots (Which is also untrue). Miners are easy prey, its just a part of life. As long as we have easy prey we will have those that kill them.

Note: I am *NOT* saying that mining ships should be massive tankers. A mining boat is built for one purpose. Mining. The day I see a hulk out on a battlefield somewhere is the day I throw up all over my keyboard. Hulks do NOT need tank buffs.

Vexx
Bernie Nator
Seal Club Six
Plug N Play
#20 - 2012-04-17 16:17:42 UTC
I don't hate miners. In fact, I'm pretty fond of the way they don't check d-scan.
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