Player Features and Ideas Discussion

Why is that the game always puts me on a plane when it is a 3D space game? My ships always roll so that they stand vertically on the plane of the solar system. Why do we need this again?

Can we get rid of it?

Edit (selling point and suggestion):

CCP should ask themselves: does a game sell better when a player can choose between 1st and 3rd person view?

The game's current default view is one, which resembles the 3rd person view in many other games. CCP shall implemented an alternative view, which resembles a 1st person view. The camera shall rotate the space around the ship so that the ship always points into the same direction. It supports a play style, which focuses more on the player's ship and less on the environment without losing sight of the events around it. It should be an option in the game's settings (i.e. under the camera settings) or, better, a choice in the right-click menu when in space with a keyboard short-cut.

Why is this fun? Because now one can switch between two views and can get a better immersion of the game. When you want to be the hero pilot, the lonesome wolf or the pirat can you switch to a self-centred 1st person view. When you want to be the fleet commander, the strategist or overlord then you can switch to the current 3rd person view. It is the player's choice.

I think they added some RP rubbish a while back about it being an "agreed upon conformity of space travel".

But basically because having everyone upside down and at funny angles to one other would be extremely odd.

It is not more than another challenge for your brain and one you would expect to see when you play a space game.

Of course, if you are drunk and hung-over then it could make you throw up, which is a suspicion I have for why the CCP developers think of it as a bad idea.

I see what you are saying...

But the ships will not will change their "bank"

Only their "pitch" would be affected... To keep people from becoming confused.


Refer to this picture for example: http://ministryoftype.co.uk/images/files/pitch-yaw-bank-iphone.jpg

The gates are pointed in the direction of their destination system, it isn't actually random.

I really should not respond to you, but I will do out of kindness.

No one here wants a new physics engine or a new game engine. It is not needed for getting rid of the restrictions we have in place.

For example, we can spin our ships in stations, but we cannot do it in space. It is another one of those training wheels CCP has screwed onto the game for us not to fall into the black void.

The most likely explanation for why we have it is because it supports cinematic screenshots and video scenes.

I would like for space itself to flip upside down, not just the ship. The ship can stay vertical, but the rest should be able to rotate. This alone could be implemented with a simple setting. When people with TWIN view and Xinerama can shift their view point to the left and right so it fits on two screens then it is not too much to ask to add this as well.

If we can have an additional change in the game's manoeuvring of ships then this would be super awesome, but it would also be only a small change compared to having the view tilt and rotate instead of the ship.

Fly around in space and simply rotate the camera to make your ship stay vertical and to be pointing away from you. This is how easy it is. You trust me, I am a software engineer for over 20 years now. Your way of thinking is caused by those training wheels that CCP has put onto the view.

No. Shut up now and listen carefully. You go into the game now and take your ship and undock. Fly around and rotate the camera with the mouse and keep your ship pointing into the same direction. Once you have done that come back and tell me again that it cannot be done.

You lack imagination and no amount of ranting will fix this for you.

*sigh* OP, you're not helping your case. You're showing a clear lack of understanding of the way that reference planes and coordinate systems work.

The reason that you can line up your camera behind your ship is that the camera is tied to a spherical coordinate system tied to your ship, meaning that everything is relative to the ship.

However, objects in space are tied to a XYZ coordinate system relative to the system. What you're proposing would involve pretty much giving each ship its own coordinate system centered on the ship and would be obscenely painful to handle the math of.

The current XYZ coordinate system that ships base off of right now makes things simpler for both the devs and the players (many of whom would likely be disconcerted by having individual reference frames for each ship), add to that the fact that having an 'up' makes communication and coordination much less painful. It just simply outweighs the slight 'benefit' of being more realistic to have no 'up' in space, which can easily be explained away by a bit of lore about everyone agreeing to keep their ships right-side up.

tl;dr: The coding, lack-of-disorientation, and coordination reasons for the current system vastly outweigh the slight realism benefit that independent axises might provide.

I have helped one kid to get it. You go empty.