Player Features and Ideas Discussion

What i suggest is the following

• The hard timer of 24 hours is removed.
• A meter that has a cap of 24 light years replaces it.
• The meter recharges at a rate of 1 light year every 1 hour.

With this in place a player can jump clone to any clone that is within the light years of their current position as long as they have enough in the Jump Clone Gas Tank to cover the range. There would be a minimum of 1 hour used when cloning.

With this setup all kinds of play styles could be used from this. Everything from a decent form of power projection (no where close to what it is now - anywhere no matter how far away you are) to a centralized location. In theory one could stage all the clones so they do a mix of traveling and cloning to travel very far. All the way to keeping all the clones in one station/system to change clones on the fly many times depending on the situation.

Sounds a bit over powered doesn't it? If you think about it, not really. When I first tell someone about this idea they go on about how it is OP because it means they can just swap back and forth between their snakes and slave sets and all kinds of stuff in a short period to go pew pew. Then I mention how much ISK in implants they just risked in that short amount of time. Billions and billions of ISK laid out on the line where normally, they would have only risked one of those during a 24 hour period.

This system can also be adjusted via balance. Maybe a 24 light year cap is too much or too little. Maybe adding a skill to increase the cap, but I would be afraid it would be yet another skill you would need to max out to stay remotely competitive. Then again, if you like to keep all the clones in one central area, training up that skill would not be such a requirement. Perhaps the security status of space you are in affects how fast/slow the meter fills? That would making living in low/null sec more appealing than say high sec.

What are the pros and cons of this guys?

I am also a supporter of the 20hour jump clone. I dont use my clone much, but I can see where the 24h has its problems for someone who plays at a regular time each day.

Saying that, I am interested in Marlona's idea. With a range from one longrange jump across the Eve galaxy each 24hours to multiple jumps in a localized area, the possibilities to improving jumpclone usage for different playstyles is great.

I would really like to see this discussed by the community and CCP.

Have a space-internet 'like', great idea.

I put some thought into this in the past myself but I propose a different idea. Make jump cloning cost isk. That way if you want to be OP you need to pay for it. First jump every 24 hours (or 20 hours if you can convince CCP) would be free. Second would be 20 million isk or some other reasonable amount of money. Third, would be 200 million making it possible to do three in 24 hrs but really expensive and the fourth and any jump clones after that could be 500 million or a billion whatever CCP wants to set as a maximum cost.

Basically, everyone gets one jump a day. Second jump isn't that expensive but expensive enough you won't do it for no reason. Any jump after that would basically have to be for emergency purposes only because the cost would be highly prohibitive.

That was the idea I had in the past and CCP would probably enjoy it for the isk sink possibilities. No sure what others would think of this.

If you start to add an ISK cost to clone jumping, that will be another reason for them not to hit that undock button. Remember the idea is to add versatility and to remove that barrier so they will actually undock. This change will result in more PvP. Thus, more ships dying. Now who would not like that?

The key is the isk cost starts at 0 for the first jump and escalates. It's no more restrictive than the current system but allows those willing to pay the cost more versatility. If your not willing to pay then you continue with the current system. I don't see why this wouldn't be an effective change. The story line to it is easy also. You just make some bull up about how you have to pay a doctor to stabilize you for the next jump.

CCP will never agree to allow more jump clones without some sort of cost. There are reasons for jump clones being as restrictive as they are right now. This system keeps it somewhat restricted so that people aren't just jump cloning randomly around the galaxy but at the same time if they NEED to jump clone they can do it.

I'm not against the idea of being able to do short jumps to change implants but I believe that CCP is intentionally not allowing this. They want people to have to risk their fancy implants sometimes. That is why I think the isk cost makes sense because it satisfies CCP and makes it so they might actually use this idea.

Think about this, you are sitting in highsec and need to jump clone to null. You jump into your full slave set clone then you FC calls the fleet off. Someone calls out nano roam and you want to do this but wait your in a full slave set clone. Hmmmmm do I spend 20 million isk for a second JC of the day, do I risk my 2 billion isk of implants, or do i not go on the roam.

I think that is a good set of choices for any player to have without letting people jump clone around between implants five times a day which CCP doesn't want.

I was very clear that certain things like the 1 hour minimum used is subject to balancing. I don't agree with a cost to jump clone. What he suggests does not scale well and again, would set players up for not hitting the undock button. You want me to pay how much on a possibility of pvp?? No thanks. There is already an over the top pvp isk sink slap to the face that is called clone upgrade costs. How many layers of pvp discouragement are you wanting in this game??

If you insist a cost scaling mechanic for jump clones is the way to go, please start your own thread instead.

I dont agree with adding an ISK charge. This just allows those with more ISK to have another advantage in game.
While some people may say that they earnt the ISK so they should have an advantage, well thats like your opinion man! I think the distance'v'time thing works well, its balanced, it encorages people who use JCs a fair bit to think about how they manage their jumps and it brings some versatility to JC playstyles.

Currently we can jump the entire length of the Eve galaxy once every 24h. I wouldnt want this to change. The max distance jump should still be the max distance, then more jumps per 24 hours should be scaled down (the distances would need to be discussed to balance them)

Alright, since I don't have alts, I have to regularily make use of the jump clone system. If I am in a cap, I have a set of implants I am willing to risk to maximize it. If I am running a different style of ship, different implants. If I am going into a T1 bc fleet, well I want my cheap clone. Lastly I have a clone set up for running exploration. Sometimes I will jump, and then be needed for a cta, well is fun telling the guys I cannot make it because I am out in an entirely different region than where the fleet is staging. I would more than be willing to isk sink to get back.

I am for isk for earlier jumps (1m per hour remaining say?) but am against the distance one. It penalizes people who use them to get around, especially when on the borders of null and it is +40 jumps to where I need to get.

So your talking about power projection. My system offers a bit of power projection, but no where near what you feel they should be. My suggestion would be to explore closer to home. Or if you jump clone away from your home to look for targets, then maybe you need to reset some blues so you don't have to be 40+ jumps away.