EVE General Discussion

it's not about elves vs space, it's about content. sadly, in eve there is no content for single playing. also most people on earth don't really like pvp, otherwise we'd all be more like klingons.

comparison with star trek is not correct because there is new stuff happening there all the time unlike eve which gets boring and repetitive after a couple of months playing.

i bet if Blizzard would ever make a new MMO in starcraft universe, it'll be as popular as wow even though there would not be any elves there.

Only if you are boring and repetitive.

People coming from other MMOs are poorly trained in this sense. They are used to content being delivered on a platter, and the sandbox notion of using the game mechanics to make your own fun is foreign to them.

Eve's learning curve is not just about the technical details, but also the difference between "theme park" and "sand box" game styles. My impression is that many players (even long-term ones who post on these forums) try to shoe-horn Eve activities into a theme-park play style, and this leads to some frustration.

But the point about missions and mining being boring and repetitive is important. These are the "entry level drugs" of Eve, in that they are the natural analogies to "questing" and gathering crafting resources in other MMOs. They also have the lowest learning curve of all Eve activities, so they are a natural starting point to learn mechanics of ship fitting etc. But after running 4 missions, you quickly learn the routine: ignore wall of text, shoot red crosses, repeat. And within those 4 missions, it's likely the same one will repeat, leading you to wonder little content there actually is. If they can find ways to make these simplest starting activities more genuinely fun, I think they'll have a much better chance of retaining players long enough for them to appreciate the broader aspects of the game.

Try EC-.

...when Ec gate is not agressed by at least 5 large bubbles witch is almost impossible. Good thing around there is that stupid goons concentration in that single system is the highest after VFK (soon enough jita too)

Pretty much every point here is wrong :| If these are your experiences its only your fault.

Train salvaging lvl2?

You lose your stuff if you get killed.

I personally enjoy that challenge, but most of the gamers I know wouldn't stand for what amounts to losing their "gamed time" every time they get killed. Look around at all the other games where this is the case...all of them are niche games. Even wow would be a niche game if somebody could grief you for your gear. Can you imagine the tears?

"Don't trust anyone." Sounds like a great social game eh?

You're thinking too much into it. The game is just too slow paced for most. Sure there's times of quick reaction and some action packed events but for the most part the game is slow. Putting stuff on ships, traveling through jump gates, waiting for things, ect...

There's allot of factors involved I think, I'll just sum up some that I think are of importance: (This will be from a new players perspective, don't be mistaken.)

-It's hard to fund the things that you want to do in the game without buying extra Plex on top of your monthly subscription when you're a new player. (Sure, there's ways, but it's not easy for the average new player I think.)

-Lot's of people get drawn to this game with the idea that they can some time pay their subscription with in-game currency, I suspect a lot of new players will focus on that aspect too much, and thus become disappointed because they'll have to play 10hours a day to play for free for a month.

-A lot of people want to be able to 'manually' control their ships, yes, I know you can manually fly your ship in eve. But I think a lot of people would just like to be able to fly their ships with the arrow keys... (Haha.)

-I think there's allot of people out there that would like their characters to be able to walk around, not only in a little captains quarters, but also inside of their ships, in abandoned space stations and perhaps on planets and **** like that. (I know it has nothing to do with the eve we like, but I just think that that would attract more people into the sand box, which we would get to blow up, naturally.) In a true sand box, you should be able to walk around as well... at least, I suppose that's what outsiders think.)

-Perhaps there just isn't enough things new inexperienced low-sp players can do when they're new in the game, in lots of other games, you can find level-appropriate content, which is enjoyable, but in eve... what do you have? Level 1/2/3 missions? Getting stomped in PvP by better, richer, and higher SP players? Even loosing your meta 0 rifter can hurt your wallet a lot at the start. Sure, that's part of the game, but I don't think it appeals to a lot of new players.

Perhaps I'm all wrong, but I think that's how 'outsider's' with a slight interest in the game look upon eve. Eve online can be the greatest game ever, but I dare to say that it needs some more 'content' or perhaps more 'frameworks' or something for the players to do, especially new ones.

The game is designed in such away that what would be seen as griefing in some other MMOs is not actually griefing, but that does not stop griefing taking place under the EULA even if it's forbidden, proving it is the harder part. But the EVE player base does have a reputation for being griefers deserved or otherwise.





PLEX is a way for non-casual players to extend their subscriptions, casual players can't spare the time to earn the ISK ingame, but ship/equipment losses are not any cheaper for casual players.






How many times have you heard people say that they have to use their alt in high-sec to farm the ISK to fund their PVP? I've heard it quite a few times over the years. And why should people be just restricted to frigates? We are talking about why EVE is not more successful than it is, in this thread.