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The Harsh Truth About Casual/Solo Players

Author
Bill Lane
Strategic Insanity
FUBAR.
#61 - 2012-04-17 06:01:21 UTC  |  Edited by: Bill Lane
Tiberius Amzadee wrote:
The harsh truth about casual/solo players.
1.Don't have to deal with the headache of managing more then one person to get things done.
2.A clean schedule free of commitments and deadlines set by the collective.
3.Too small and insignificant as an entity to be harassed in most cases.(It is EVE after all)
4.Too lazy to command more then one person at a time anyway.
5.All the profits go to me,myself,and I.
6.Will always play as no other game currently has no equal to depth and value of the EVE gaming experience.
7.Internet Spaceships are even more of a serious business as we can only afford or build so many ships ourselves at a time.
8.We simply freaking love space.


Very good Tiberius. Was just getting ready to post pretty much the same thing.

OP: I have participated in big alliances and small highsec corps. Miner/cap pilot.

Now I am a casual/solo miner, and i haven't been asking for handouts. I play when I want, how I want, for however long I want. Nobody depends on me. Have 3 accounts that I use for my own enjoyment. Once in a while I do get to fleet up with a friend in system, but rarely. And I have my friends in game that I always socialize with and we don't use real names, so I'm pretty sure that takes care of my multiplayer and role playing parts.

And to be completely honest, I see a hell of a lot more whining about game mechanics from big blob alliance folks than from solo players. Not saying that your list is bad, as I'm really not crying about anything on it. But I'd appreciate it if you'd not make it sound like every casual/solo player is just a whiny *****, because I for one am not. To be honest, all of the casual/solo players I know haven't asked for anything on your list, and I am frequently reading the forums.

To summarize: if you wanna cry about people whining and begging to get game mechanics changed, do some research and see who the majority are. Thanks
Dyner
Brutor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#62 - 2012-04-17 06:49:47 UTC
Simple fix for casuals/solo-ers:

Looking For Fleet (aka LFG) should have some sort of bonus, whether it be straight up bonus ISK while on a mission or something similar to LPs...hell, maybe even LPs; that way you don't have to group to get items.

What would be nice is if they'd implement Dust 514 into EVE, and let players do "Hot Drops" into battle matches similar to a Halo match...just something to do when you're bored of playing solo, but don't want the "YOU ******* X-UP OR CORP-KICK!" that tends to come with active corps.
Mark Androcius
#63 - 2012-04-17 07:13:46 UTC
The OP probably got some sand in her P*ssy.

I hate the average human being, they are stupid, ignorant and egotistical.

this however, does not mean i hate working with people, as long as they are none of the before mentioned.

You most likely though, are not one of the people I'd like to team up with.
Rico Minali
Federal Navy Academy
Gallente Federation
#64 - 2012-04-17 07:18:02 UTC
Everyone gets the same rules no matter how often you play, keep it that way.

As for needing to dedicate 8 hours a day.. No. I ceo a very successful nullsec pvp corp and I only play a couple of hours 4 to 6 times a week. Its about playing smart, not playing hard.

Trust me, I almost know what I'm doing.

Roime
Mea Culpa.
Shadow Cartel
#65 - 2012-04-17 07:42:09 UTC
On some forums, people are banned for badposting.

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Ciar Meara
PIE Inc.
Khimi Harar
#66 - 2012-04-17 08:08:44 UTC  |  Edited by: Ciar Meara
masternerdguy wrote:

Small holdings - CCP, I don't want to join a real alliance so allow me and my 2 friends to claim a solar system while only protecting it part time.


I really don't want to be forced to join a bunch of guys I don't know that might take all my stuff because they can.
I rather invest time and money and effort in building something nice with friends, that in turn can offcourse can be taken away by other guys, because they can. I don't see the problem here, your complaining about a possible influx in 0.0 targets?

masternerdguy wrote:

Fleet Balancing - CCP, I don't want to fly with friends so please make some weird mechanic that makes larger fleets less effective against my solo ship.


Numbers are important in a fight, no doubt. But some kind of tactics besides the blob would be nice. Besides numbers aren't always important. Caesars fight against Pompey had 500 cavalry facing 5000, the 500 defeated the blob of 5000 which was released as one handely and handed the fight to caesar.

Another victory that comes to mind are the victory at salamis where a big persian fleet was forced to fight a nimble greek fleet in an inlet and the defeat that was a victory of Thermoplaye. Or you can take Cannae as an example on how to kill a blob.

On the other hand there are plenty of examples of numbers winning the day (Russia (WWII), France (Napoleon), WWI, etc). A balance should be struck there, but it should be a balance, not a one sided idea of numbers = win

masternerdguy wrote:

Stop suggesting game breaking things because you are unable/unwilling to invest the time or thought to play this game as a team, as it is intended to be.
Discuss.


EVE isn't a game that is "intended" to be anything. You can do what you want CCP gives options. The options should be clearly free of any kind of "idea" how to play the game. Hence, sandbox.

You shouldn't be forced to join a 5000+ alliance
You shouldn't be forced to have fleetfights of 2000+

We should be able to make a living and fun hanging out in smaller groups and friends
We should be able to have fights of significance with small, medium and larger fleets under 500 ships and win against large groups because of tactics. (see latest clarion call for excellent fitting during fight options)

We should be able to have large meaningful 5000+ alliances
We should have meaningful fleet fights of 2000+


masternerdguy wrote:
Discuss.


We should always, always, discuss.

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Jastra
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#67 - 2012-04-17 08:13:34 UTC
Doc Fury wrote:
The Harsh Truth About "masternerdguy"

You must be really lonely and need to post for attention.





hehe, I was thinking the same
Sasha Azala
Doomheim
#68 - 2012-04-17 08:17:13 UTC
Jastra wrote:
Doc Fury wrote:
The Harsh Truth About "masternerdguy"

You must be really lonely and need to post for attention.





hehe, I was thinking the same




I was going to quote the same thing, so I'll settle for quoting you quoting the same thing.



Note to self: Stop posting in a masternerdguy thread.
Laviski
Sebiestor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#69 - 2012-04-17 08:17:16 UTC
+1 for OP

if you can't stand the heat stay out of the kitchen.
Lady Spank
Get Out Nasty Face
#70 - 2012-04-17 08:29:31 UTC
I know it's just another attempt at humour from the OP but this time it's actually mildly amusing.

I am a solo player and have absolutely zero interest in any of the things stated in the original post B)

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Ank Parkor
WildSpace Otters
#71 - 2012-04-17 08:31:45 UTC
EVE is a solo game with ennemies having sometimes great AI.

[u]Short time trader, short term missionner, long term ambitions.[/u]

Bring justice to EVE: https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&m=1171333

TheBlueMonkey
Center for Advanced Studies
Gallente Federation
#72 - 2012-04-17 09:19:08 UTC
Kattshiro wrote:
make null sec more accessible to smaller corps or people besides having to hold space or be in a uber alliance. (Exploration, null indie etc)


**BUZZER** What is NPC 0.0?
Malcanis
Vanishing Point.
The Initiative.
#73 - 2012-04-17 11:18:12 UTC
masternerdguy wrote:
You are choosing to play an MMOrpg by yourself, and are complaining about not having enough advantages?

Let's go down the list of things causal players tend to suggest.

  • Small holdings - CCP, I don't want to join a real alliance so allow me and my 2 friends to claim a solar system while only protecting it part time.
  • More Concord - CCP, I don't want to lose my hulk because I mine afk and alone so please give it 300k EHP so I can continue to play solo.
  • Bigger Solo ISK Faucets - CCP, I don't have the time to invest in EVE so please make solo content that makes me still competitive with big teamplay content.
  • Fleet Balancing - CCP, I don't want to fly with friends so please make some weird mechanic that makes larger fleets less effective against my solo ship.
  • Buy/Trade/More SP - CCP, I don't play as much so I should train faster than others to stay competitive.
  • Reimbursement - CCP, I don't want to play with everyone else so you should reimburse my losses in PVP.
  • Dueling System - CCP, I don't want to play with everyone else so you should make me only able to PVP when I feel like it.


Stop suggesting game breaking things because you are unable/unwilling to invest the time or thought to play this game as a team, as it is intended to be.

Discuss.



masternerdguy made a sensible OP


I was there

"Just remember later that I warned against any change to jump ranges or fatigue. You earned whats coming."

Grath Telkin, 11.10.2016

Cearain
Plus 10 NV
#74 - 2012-04-17 13:22:21 UTC
Tanya Powers wrote:
Cearain wrote:
You are role playing a character in eve.



Then why should I get a ban if I tell you to go kill yourself when I'm role playing my character?

And why should my post be deleted by an ISD guy when I'm role playing my character in this forum with some goon insulting my char of idiot?

Why so serious?



Its funny how the anti-roleplay people have a difficult time seperating the game from reality.

Just some general tips:

1) If you are posting on these boards about a computer game called EVE you are not "in the game."

2) If you show up publicly as a real person, at a real event and talk about eve mails you received which address a persons real life issues, you are not "in game."

If your character tells my character to go kill himself then you shouldn't be banned. But it needs to be clear from the context that your character is telling my character to kill himself. Since we are currently on a computer game forum talking about possible changes to a computer game it would be hard to see how you could claim its your character talking. (see number 1 above.)

However if you are in the game and you see my characters ship jump through a gate and say "kill Cearain in the merlin" Or even just "kill him" or even post in local "you're gonna die" its easy to see you mean that in game.

Yes there may be cases where its not so clear from the context. But it seems the anti-roleplay crowd often don't understand even the easy cases.

Make faction war occupancy pvp instead of pve https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&m=53815&#post53815

Cearain
Plus 10 NV
#75 - 2012-04-17 13:27:46 UTC
Lady Spank wrote:
I know it's just another attempt at humour from the OP but this time it's actually mildly amusing.

I am a solo player and have absolutely zero interest in any of the things stated in the original post B)



Of course you don't. Its just another red herring from someone who has some self esteem issues about how they play a computer game.

OP no one is judging you for how you play a computer game. So you shouldn't feel the need to make up bs about what others do to make yourself feel better.

Make faction war occupancy pvp instead of pve https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&m=53815&#post53815

Asuka Solo
I N E X T R E M I S
Tactical Narcotics Team
#76 - 2012-04-17 13:36:41 UTC
masternerdguy wrote:

  • Fleet Balancing - CCP, I don't want to fly with friends so please make some weird mechanic that makes larger fleets less effective against my solo ship.
  • .


    You forgot about the whole "I don't want my fleet gang banged by 10 Titans, so please nerf supers so my rifter can get sum" dimension.

    Eve is about Capital ships, WiS, Boobs, PI and Isk!

    Romar Agent
    Doomheim
    #77 - 2012-04-17 14:08:32 UTC
    masternerdguy wrote:
    Let's go down the list of things causal players tend to suggest.

    • Small holdings - CCP, I don't want to join a real alliance so allow me and my 2 friends to claim a solar system while only protecting it part time.
    • More Concord - CCP, I don't want to lose my hulk because I mine afk and alone so please give it 300k EHP so I can continue to play solo.
    • Bigger Solo ISK Faucets - CCP, I don't have the time to invest in EVE so please make solo content that makes me still competitive with big teamplay content.
    • Fleet Balancing - CCP, I don't want to fly with friends so please make some weird mechanic that makes larger fleets less effective against my solo ship.
    • Buy/Trade/More SP - CCP, I don't play as much so I should train faster than others to stay competitive.
    • Reimbursement - CCP, I don't want to play with everyone else so you should reimburse my losses in PVP.
    • Dueling System - CCP, I don't want to play with everyone else so you should make me only able to PVP when I feel like it.

    Who said that?

    I haven't heard anyone complain.
    MeBiatch
    GRR GOONS
    #78 - 2012-04-17 14:26:02 UTC
    Ayuren Aakiwa wrote:
    Didn't read most of the thread, but every person that is convinced 'dueling' should be in eve should be lit on fire...

    Also +1 op, your doing it right



    i think the whole point of a dueling system is to have ships lit on fire...

    though ccp already said they are working on a dueling system by enhancing the mutual war dec system via the merc market...

    There are no stupid Questions... just stupid people... CCP Goliath wrote:

    Ugh ti-di pooping makes me sad.

    FloppieTheBanjoClown
    Arcana Imperii Ltd.
    #79 - 2012-04-17 14:26:07 UTC
    Kattshiro wrote:
    I think you miss understand the small holdings claim...rather make null sec more accessible to smaller corps or people besides having to hold space or be in a uber alliance. (Exploration, null indie etc)


    It's called w-space. Set up shop in a C1/2 with a C1 or C2 static. You can solo everything you find.

    Founding member of the Belligerent Undesirables movement.

    Jonah Gravenstein
    Machiavellian Space Bastards
    #80 - 2012-04-17 14:31:43 UTC  |  Edited by: Jonah Gravenstein
    My day job involves working in a team, they're a bunch of useless gits if not pushed TBH, so why would I want to repeat the experience in something I do for fun?. In game I'm my own boss, I do what I want, when I want and as little or as much as I want.

    I don't moan about getting ganked, I don't tell people that don't play the way I play that they're doing it wrong (looks at certain hi-sec professions) and above all I'm not out to ruin the game, if my play style ruins your game by being different then I have a suitably watertight container ready for filling Cry

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