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The Harsh Truth About Casual/Solo Players
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Corina Jarr
en Welle Shipping Inc.
#21 - 2012-04-16 22:33:14 UTC
Tanya Powers wrote:
Corina Jarr wrote:
I play EVE casually, and I like it mostly the way it is, aside from some ships being totally useless (we shall see what CCP has in store for us on that front).



That's the part I'm afraid of. Lol

yeah... I hope they spend more than the usually amount of time having us play with their changes on Sisi.
Karl Hobb
Imperial Margarine
#22 - 2012-04-16 23:06:32 UTC
The harsh truth about solo players will only be exposed if you open the door after knocking loudly and receiving no response.

As for casual players, well, they'll generally leave the door open anyway.

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Alpheias
Tactical Farmers.
Pandemic Horde
#23 - 2012-04-16 23:12:13 UTC
Casual and solo players ought to stick with the Wii. Perhaps get a Wii fit and have it delivered to the door?

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Zowie Powers
Aliastra
Gallente Federation
#24 - 2012-04-16 23:13:26 UTC
I always make a point of believing any thread that has the word "Truth" in the title, the more capital letters they use, the more I will believe them.

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Tikktokk Tokkzikk
V0LTA
OnlyFleets.
#25 - 2012-04-17 00:06:09 UTC  |  Edited by: Tikktokk Tokkzikk
Who decided that MMO means playing WITH players and not AGAINST players?
Tanya Powers
Doomheim
#26 - 2012-04-17 00:12:58 UTC
Tikktokk Tokkzikk wrote:
Who decidied that MMO means playing WITH players and not AGAINST players?



Someone having English comprehension issues. Lol
Ayuren Aakiwa
Shadow Legion X
Seriously Suspicious
#27 - 2012-04-17 00:13:02 UTC  |  Edited by: Ayuren Aakiwa
Didn't read most of the thread, but every person that is convinced 'dueling' should be in eve should be lit on fire...

Also +1 op, your doing it right
Cipher Jones
The Thomas Edwards Taco Tuesday All Stars
#28 - 2012-04-17 00:19:44 UTC
masternerdguy wrote:
You are choosing to play an MMOrpg by yourself, and are complaining about not having enough advantages?

Let's go down the list of things causal players tend to suggest.

  • Small holdings - CCP, I don't want to join a real alliance so allow me and my 2 friends to claim a solar system while only protecting it part time.
  • More Concord - CCP, I don't want to lose my hulk because I mine afk and alone so please give it 300k EHP so I can continue to play solo.
  • Bigger Solo ISK Faucets - CCP, I don't have the time to invest in EVE so please make solo content that makes me still competitive with big teamplay content.
  • Fleet Balancing - CCP, I don't want to fly with friends so please make some weird mechanic that makes larger fleets less effective against my solo ship.
  • Buy/Trade/More SP - CCP, I don't play as much so I should train faster than others to stay competitive.
  • Reimbursement - CCP, I don't want to play with everyone else so you should reimburse my losses in PVP.
  • Dueling System - CCP, I don't want to play with everyone else so you should make me only able to PVP when I feel like it.


Stop suggesting game breaking things because you are unable/unwilling to invest the time or thought to play this game as a team, as it is intended to be.

Discuss.


Anybody that pays for their monthly subscription with real world money can play casually. Their complaints are irrelevant until they start costing CCP money, just like the rest of us.

internet spaceships

are serious business sir.

and don't forget it
scooter Kondur
Doomheim
#29 - 2012-04-17 00:24:32 UTC  |  Edited by: scooter Kondur
Not everyone wants to play in a goon blob so i dont see why eve cant make a clone of itself and that way i could play on the eve server that isnt run by goons

editting, bad eve can wear a mmoustache and good eve would have nice skin

im just saying that i would bet that if you made an eve for all you guys to be stupid on and an eve where people could play with out being harased the eve where you dont get harassed would win and you guys would have no ships to fly after 1 month
Ayuren Aakiwa
Shadow Legion X
Seriously Suspicious
#30 - 2012-04-17 00:25:38 UTC  |  Edited by: Ayuren Aakiwa
scooter Kondur wrote:
Not everyone wants to play in a goon blob so i dont see why eve cant make a clone of itself and that way i could play on the eve server that isnt run by goons

editting, bad eve can wear a mmoustache and good eve would have nice skin




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Edit: this applies to a few of you in this thread....
Killer Gandry
The Concilium Enterprises
#31 - 2012-04-17 00:26:08 UTC
masternerdguy wrote:
Some ranting


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Jonah Gravenstein
Machiavellian Space Bastards
#32 - 2012-04-17 01:17:45 UTC
MMORPG. Massively Multiplayer Online Role Playing Game

The important parts are underlined, they are not mutually exclusive but neither are they inclusive. Eve is multiplayer, some people role play at being part of something bigger, others just happen to role play at being lone wolfs, neither is a wrong way to play.

In that respect an MMO is much like life, you can succeed either way.

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Cearain
Plus 10 NV
#33 - 2012-04-17 01:43:35 UTC
Jonah Gravenstein wrote:
MMORPG. Massively Multiplayer Online Role Playing Game

The important parts are underlined, they are not mutually exclusive but neither are they inclusive. Eve is multiplayer, some people role play at being part of something bigger, others just happen to role play at being lone wolfs, neither is a wrong way to play.

In that respect an MMO is much like life, you can succeed either way.


I agree.


I think people including the op confuse a massively multiplayer game universe with "team play."


Of course there can be benefits when you team up in any universe including the real one. But the rewards are also decrease when you have to share them.

Eve is trying to hard to force people to team up with by artificially paying higher amounts for incursions if they are done as a team. IMO Its ruining the andbox feel.

Make faction war occupancy pvp instead of pve https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&m=53815&#post53815
Mars Theran
Foreign Interloper
#34 - 2012-04-17 02:17:47 UTC
theocratis wrote:
people who play alone are potential recruits that have not yet met eye to eye with a like minded player.


Yeah.. you're dreaming there. The very fact that you said "potential recruits" just shows how much you know about them, but keep hoping. Smile
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Vangelios
#35 - 2012-04-17 02:21:58 UTC
masternerdguy wrote:

Stop suggesting game breaking things because you are unable/unwilling to invest the time or thought to play this game as a team, as it is intended to be.
Discuss.


Not so black and white.
There is nothing wrong with being Space Entrepreneur.
Also there is nothing wrong with being part of a hive, with strict hierarchy, rules and thingies.
It's matter of personal taste (goals) and freedom of choice.

PS.
"Entrepreneurs become what they are for several reasons. Many, depending on the person, choose to do so to avoid workplace drama, discrimination, being taken advantage of, or just to be their own boss" (source wiki)






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Fredfredbug4
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#36 - 2012-04-17 02:26:37 UTC  |  Edited by: Fredfredbug4
Rengerel en Distel wrote:
Fredfredbug4 wrote:
MMORPG

Massive MULTIPLAYER Online Role Playing Game

Trying to play solo in an MMORPG is like expecting to play a shooter game without getting shot at. Point is, if you play solo you are putting yourself at a disadvantage. If you don't want to play with others you should not be accommodated for.


You realize MULTIPLAYER means that more than one person is playing it at the same time, not that you have to play with those people, right? Oh, from your statement, I guess you don't.




I am well aware. That was not the point of my post. I did not claim that you have to play with others. What I did say was that by trying to play alone you are intentionally putting yourself at a disadvantage and should not be accommodated for such (I'm literally repeating exactly what I said here) I guess bolding and capitalizing a word at the same time grabbed too much attention.

It would be one thing if EVE was a game where it is difficult to play with others, however it isn't. I sometimes wind up doing various activities with random people I just happened to stumble across on my travels. You have other people around you to either gain a mutual or one sided advantage from interacting with them. If you choose not to then don't complain. That's like complaining about hurting your thumb for trying to press a nail in with it, when there is a hammer right next to you.

Learn to read the entire post before responding.

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Richard Hammond II
Doomheim
#37 - 2012-04-17 02:39:55 UTC
Cearain wrote:
Jonah Gravenstein wrote:
MMORPG. Massively Multiplayer Online Role Playing Game

The important parts are underlined, they are not mutually exclusive but neither are they inclusive. Eve is multiplayer, some people role play at being part of something bigger, others just happen to role play at being lone wolfs, neither is a wrong way to play.

In that respect an MMO is much like life, you can succeed either way.


I agree.


I think people including the op confuse a massively multiplayer game universe with "team play."


Of course there can be benefits when you team up in any universe including the real one. But the rewards are also decrease when you have to share them.

Eve is trying to hard to force people to team up with by artificially paying higher amounts for incursions if they are done as a team. IMO Its ruining the andbox feel.



anyone role playing is doing something wrong in EVE

Goons; infiltration at its best - first bob... now ccp itself. They dont realize you guys dot take this as "just a game". Bring it down guys, we're rooting for you.
Tikktokk Tokkzikk
V0LTA
OnlyFleets.
#38 - 2012-04-17 02:48:54 UTC  |  Edited by: Tikktokk Tokkzikk
The quote and edit buttons look far too alike.
Bluddwolf
Heimatar Military Industries
#39 - 2012-04-17 02:49:17 UTC
Fredfredbug4 wrote:
MMORPG

Massive MULTIPLAYER Online Role Playing Game

Trying to play solo in an MMORPG is like expecting to play a shooter game without getting shot at. Point is, if you play solo you are putting yourself at a disadvantage. If you don't want to play with others you should not be accommodated for.


I fly solo, but I chat in the Minmatar chat room almost constantly. Doesn't this qualify as MMORPG?

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Richard Hammond II
Doomheim
#40 - 2012-04-17 02:55:33 UTC  |  Edited by: Richard Hammond II
the harsh truth about casuals is theyll never be happy in a game like this and should find a new one.

Theyre like the aliens from independance day.

But casuals descend on a game, ***** and moan to make it the way they want, create all kinds of change away from the creators' vision FOR the game, then flit off to the next big title, leaving the game they JUST infested broken and destroyed.

Bluddwolf wrote:
Fredfredbug4 wrote:
MMORPG

Massive MULTIPLAYER Online Role Playing Game

Trying to play solo in an MMORPG is like expecting to play a shooter game without getting shot at. Point is, if you play solo you are putting yourself at a disadvantage. If you don't want to play with others you should not be accommodated for.


I fly solo, but I chat in the Minmatar chat room almost constantly. Doesn't this qualify as MMORPG?


wtf chat rooms?

Goons; infiltration at its best - first bob... now ccp itself. They dont realize you guys dot take this as "just a game". Bring it down guys, we're rooting for you.