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GM's setting wallet to Negative - A bit harsh?
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Brewlar Kuvakei
Adeptio Gloriae
#121 - 2012-07-15 00:49:57 UTC
malcovas Henderson wrote:
Create an alt. to generate income for ammo and such. Or create a new account to work alongside your main.



o7



You don't even need to do this if you use a corp wallet, Negative balance on your pvp char means nothing all you lose out on are bounties but due to the bounty system being pointless anyway you'd have to be un lucky to miss on a big score.
Devore Sekk
Ministry of War
Amarr Empire
#122 - 2012-07-15 01:06:47 UTC
AndromacheDarkstar wrote:
You make an interesting point with regards to not being able to repair your ship or really get yourself back into the game however it was your fault so what can you do. It would however be more sensible for CCP to reset your wallet nad strip your assets


No, CCP clearly intends for you to buy PLEX to reset your account to good standing, which is what you should have done to begin with.
Haethorn
I've Fixed it
#123 - 2012-07-17 08:07:05 UTC
U could go t1 Energy Turrets lol

Is it cheaper to buy a new character? Exploit warning see below

Honestly having a missioning/hisec trading/hauliing alt is a good investment anyway.

Looking back on my time in the game, having your isk maker as your main in either NPC corp or in a PC 0% tax corp and then a pvp toon that you could put into Red Vs Blue or similar would be pretty sweet. Your PvP toon does not need a huge amount of skill points.

That negative wallet will be a pain in the arse on that toon but train up Hisec character that can keep the Neg Wallet character supplied as you can buy the wallet off if you like.

Exploit warning

We are heading into grey area of exploits here I think, I would petition for clarification to be sure, but I agree its impossible for your character to even function appart from being a scout unless you already had the amarr tree trained. Off the top of my head, I don't think you are allowed to biomass a character with neg sec status, neg wallet might be looked at the same way. If I were a GM I'd say you are stuck with that character untill you pay it off somehow. Its debateable if it were intended that you buy plex to get a positive wallet. CCP still wants your business though, I expect they want a workable solution.

Glad you learned your lesson & CCP gave you a 2nd chance, sorta
Vulsonn
Republic Military School
Minmatar Republic
#124 - 2012-07-17 15:37:49 UTC
You sound all too eager to be punished, if this is the case i'd be only to happy to have you fitted for a gimp suit and you can live in the padlocked box at the foot of my bed. Please get back to me about it.
Lost Greybeard
Drunken Yordles
#125 - 2012-07-17 22:29:01 UTC
You clearly have a bunch of spare money if you're buying third-party plex, just spend some of it on legitimate PLEX and sell them with a same-account alt to get your wallet positive.

Not complicated, the way out of trouble is the same way you got into it in the first place.
Soldarius
Dreddit
Test Alliance Please Ignore
#126 - 2012-07-18 09:32:36 UTC
Ping Pang Pong wrote:
Basically can't do much of anything but biomass or if it is a high enough SP toon, sell it on the bazaar.


RMT penalized toons are now bound to the account and cannot be sold. You can still trade stuff via trade window and accept contracts, though not make them.

http://youtu.be/YVkUvmDQ3HY
Gibbo3771
AQUILA INC
#127 - 2012-07-18 15:55:21 UTC
Make alt on same account.

Buy legit plex, redeem on alt, sell on market with alt...send money to main.
feihcsiM
THE B0YS
#128 - 2012-07-19 12:07:06 UTC
RMT'ers accounts should be flagged so all their characters autopost "I'm a dirty RMT cheater" in every one of their chat windows at every session change. Blink

It's the end of the world as we know it and I feel fine.
whaynethepain
#129 - 2012-07-19 12:24:36 UTC
Well, actually, people do fall into the buying botters ISK trap, the RMT thing, obviously.

It is good of CCP to not just wipe the account, and then provide the opportunity to pay back into CCP.

The trouble is, buying more ISK is a way out, or just scrapping the account, an in game ISK transfer etc...

Eve Online could go a step further and advertise authentic CCP endorsed Eve-Online ISK and Aurum via the official CCP PLEX sales much more, to new players especially, and links direct to the CCP site, and how to get it securely and how it works properly, more.

What it is;
My mate Dave started Eve-Online, realised he needed ISK, didn't realise he could get it from CCP and wrote Eve-Online ISK into google, failed.

For some reason he had no concept of how PLEX could be bought from CCP and sold straight in game for ISK, fun times.

Getting you on your feet.

So you've further to fall.
Gmunday Cammosh
Doomheim
#130 - 2012-10-16 18:36:40 UTC
Well i have just come back from a 15 day suspension for apparently using a bot. Firstly ill make this very clear to everyone who have reading problems & believe that CCP never make mistakes.

I have never used any form of automated software, bugs or cheats on any game let alone eve. I strongly denied & asked for proof which i was not given anything except a 15 day ban.

So, after day 15 i check my account again & I'm now over 2 billion Negative ISK. I have barely had over 100mill ISK on my account never mind 2 billion. Anyways i can't sell ore, I cant trade or accept donations from friends to clear my Negative balance. In affect my account is as good as BANNED because you can't do anything.

Now, i won't go on about the suspension for apparently botting, but when i asked why i was suspended i was told for automated bot use & the first offence is 15 days & then 30 days & then a perm ban. No where could i find that they take ISK off you. If this is to remove profits made from apparently botting, then they should look at my transaction log & see the most ISK ive ever had has never topped 100mill if you add it all up on my incomings. So to set me in a huge Negative balance is in affect making my account Unusable.

Just for people who don't know. When in negative point balance you can't do the following.

Trade between players.
Sell items on the market (even if its an immediate sale).
Accept contracts for items.
Accept ISK from players.

So, to the dude who said, do u have basic ship n mining laser.. well what are you going to do if you cant sell the ore you make or trade it?

Its stupid if you ask me.
Ristlin Wakefield
Viziam
Amarr Empire
#131 - 2012-10-16 19:12:03 UTC
Gmunday Cammosh wrote:
Well i have just come back from a 15 day suspension for apparently using a bot. Firstly ill make this very clear to everyone who have reading problems & believe that CCP never make mistakes.

I have never used any form of automated software, bugs or cheats on any game let alone eve. I strongly denied & asked for proof which i was not given anything except a 15 day ban.

So, after day 15 i check my account again & I'm now over 2 billion Negative ISK. I have barely had over 100mill ISK on my account never mind 2 billion. Anyways i can't sell ore, I cant trade or accept donations from friends to clear my Negative balance. In affect my account is as good as BANNED because you can't do anything.

Now, i won't go on about the suspension for apparently botting, but when i asked why i was suspended i was told for automated bot use & the first offence is 15 days & then 30 days & then a perm ban. No where could i find that they take ISK off you. If this is to remove profits made from apparently botting, then they should look at my transaction log & see the most ISK ive ever had has never topped 100mill if you add it all up on my incomings. So to set me in a huge Negative balance is in affect making my account Unusable.

Just for people who don't know. When in negative point balance you can't do the following.

Trade between players.
Sell items on the market (even if its an immediate sale).
Accept contracts for items.
Accept ISK from players.

So, to the dude who said, do u have basic ship n mining laser.. well what are you going to do if you cant sell the ore you make or trade it?

Its stupid if you ask me.


You can create an alt on the same account and join the same corp. Drop whatever you mine, loot, etc. into the corp hanger. Use the alt to sells it for you. That money could be used toward new ships or toward paying off your debt.

What concerns me the most though isn't the negative wallet, but your claim that you were suspended for 15 days (training queue halted?) while innocent. But before we pull out the pitchforks and light the torches, I have to ask: are you sure you didn't bot?

I have a lover, her name is EVE. I see her every night and all she asks in return is that I have a pilot's license.
Tul Breetai
Impromptu Asset Requisition
#132 - 2012-10-16 19:20:19 UTC
Buy some legit PLEX like they want you to.



And HTFU.

There's nothing worse than an EVE player, generally considered to be top of the food chain in the MMO world, that cannot smacktalk with wit and coherency.
jimmyjam
Fire Mandrill
#133 - 2012-10-16 20:01:21 UTC
good necro
Beachura
Doomheim
#134 - 2012-10-16 21:06:46 UTC
Necro
Im Nutz
Ahab's Whale
#135 - 2012-10-17 05:03:47 UTC
+points+ for the necro.
Surfin's PlunderBunny
Sebiestor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#136 - 2012-10-17 05:05:02 UTC
Zombie! *Pushes poster above me at it and runs off*

"Little ginger moron" ~David Hasselhoff 

Want to see what Surf is training or how little isk Surf has?  http://eveboard.com/pilot/Surfin%27s_PlunderBunny
slave-001
Hedion University
Amarr Empire
#137 - 2012-10-17 10:00:27 UTC  |  Edited by: slave-001
Hmm, bils, dont know how many, but you dont seem too shy of buying plex, buy a few from ccp and your fine..

Idea oho wait, you cant sell them anyhow Blink
Mike Adoulin
Happys Happy Hamster Hunting Club
#138 - 2012-10-17 10:59:29 UTC
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HaoySOGlZ_U

I think this pretty much covers it.

Strangley enough, I easily picture CCP Guard doing this every time an account gets negabombed.

I need help.

Sad

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Piugattuk
Litla Sundlaugin
#139 - 2012-10-20 19:53:34 UTC  |  Edited by: Piugattuk
Buy a couple of plex for alt then buy new character like tengu pilot or hulk pilot, biomass unwanted toon and say 5 hail Mary's then your sin should be forgiven.Big smile and as far as banning we here at stimeburg rollings and associates can help you around such nasties such as a negative wallet need ammo np, we here will take in payment anything you can jettison need something built mine some ore for mod equivalent value if you can jettison we have the ability to help you. Seriously.
Val'Dore
PlanetCorp InterStellar
#140 - 2012-10-20 21:01:11 UTC
My advice? Join a corporation that will pay you directly for the things you can still do.

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