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Cynabal tank ?

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Goran Konjich
Krompany
#1 - 2012-04-16 11:53:22 UTC
Hi , i would like someone to explain to me why is generally better to shield armor Cynabal rather than armor tank it.

And i would like to see here if anyone has some good armor and shield fits.

TIA

I'm a diplomat. Sometimes i throw 425mm wide briefcases at enemy. Such is EVE.

churrros
afwewafe
#2 - 2012-04-16 12:01:49 UTC
because cynabals are mostly used for their speed and autocannons benefit greatly from tracking enhancers that uses up low slots.

Armor tanking it usually means you have to use plates and armor rigs which will decrease the speed advantage.

Even if speed wasn't and issue, Its hard to fit tracking enhances with gyros when you are armor tanking.
Goran Konjich
Krompany
#3 - 2012-04-16 12:26:06 UTC
thanks a lot, sounds very reasonable ... i always forget armor tanking goes into low slots and shield tanks are going into mid ones Oops

another thing : what if i prefer artillery and not autocannons , artillery has better tracking speed if im correct so i might not use TE and use only Gyros ... is this ok ?

+ AB for capacitor stability = some kind of speed tank from distance (like 20km + 15, so 27km would be ok Lol)

I'm a diplomat. Sometimes i throw 425mm wide briefcases at enemy. Such is EVE.

Denuo Secus
#4 - 2012-04-16 12:52:06 UTC  |  Edited by: Denuo Secus
Goran Konjich wrote:
thanks a lot, sounds very reasonable ... i always forget armor tanking goes into low slots and shield tanks are going into mid ones Oops

another thing : what if i prefer artillery and not autocannons , artillery has better tracking speed if im correct so i might not use TE and use only Gyros ... is this ok ?

+ AB for capacitor stability = some kind of speed tank from distance (like 20km + 15, so 27km would be ok Lol)


It's vice versa. Arty is THE worst tracking turret in game. Auto cannons are the second best in terms of tracking (tracking of short range turrets is always better compared to long range turrets). Also: if you want arty and distance, you want to maintain this distance. This is not possible with AB. You'll need a MWD.
Jack Miton
School of Applied Knowledge
Caldari State
#5 - 2012-04-16 13:00:00 UTC
if youre asking this question, you probably shouldnt be flying a cynabal.

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FT Diomedes
The Graduates
#6 - 2012-04-16 13:15:46 UTC
Somehow, I get the sense that the OP is thinking more about PvE than PvP. If you are thinking about PvP, lose a few dozen Stabbers and Ruptures before you graduate to the Cynabal.

CCP should add more NPC 0.0 space to open it up and liven things up: the Stepping Stones project.

Goran Konjich
Krompany
#7 - 2012-04-16 13:25:09 UTC
Jack Miton wrote:
if youre asking this question, you probably shouldnt be flying a cynabal.


if youre replying to this thread, you probably shouldnt be reading it in the first place

I'm a diplomat. Sometimes i throw 425mm wide briefcases at enemy. Such is EVE.

Niko Takahashi
Yoshitomi Group
#8 - 2012-04-16 13:38:54 UTC
Goran Konjich wrote:
Jack Miton wrote:
if youre asking this question, you probably shouldnt be flying a cynabal.


if youre replying to this thread, you probably shouldnt be reading it in the first place


That might be but it does not make his comment invalid.

If you do not know the difference between the auto-cannons and artillery you should be flying a rupture not a Cynabal.
Goran Konjich
Krompany
#9 - 2012-04-16 13:44:26 UTC
Niko Takahashi wrote:
Goran Konjich wrote:
Jack Miton wrote:
if youre asking this question, you probably shouldnt be flying a cynabal.


if youre replying to this thread, you probably shouldnt be reading it in the first place


That might be but it does not make his comment invalid.

If you do not know the difference between the auto-cannons and artillery you should be flying a rupture not a Cynabal.


its all fine ... i admit i am confused ... but nonetheless im not flying Cynabal. I'm just interested ... but as expected there are some really satisfying answers as always and i'm thankful for them.

I'm a diplomat. Sometimes i throw 425mm wide briefcases at enemy. Such is EVE.

Torothin
Crimson Dawn Enterprises
Bog Brotherhood
#10 - 2012-04-16 13:45:08 UTC
OP,

The Cyn is meant to be a hit and run ship Guerilla warefare PvP ship. It works best with groups of Vagabonds, other Cyn's, Rapiers, Hughins, and sometimes scimmy's. Your speed and agility is your tank. This is not a PvE ship. Under no circumstance what so ever should this be a PvE ship. This is also a viable solo option if you fit ti correctly. This ship excels at small gang 0.0 warfare.

Fireflyb1
Walden 2.0
#11 - 2012-04-16 13:45:16 UTC
Niko Takahashi wrote:
Goran Konjich wrote:
Jack Miton wrote:
if youre asking this question, you probably shouldnt be flying a cynabal.


if youre replying to this thread, you probably shouldnt be reading it in the first place


That might be but it does not make his comment invalid.

If you do not know the difference between the auto-cannons and artillery you should be flying a rupture not a Cynabal.


Yeah but Jack's post is just to appear superior and douchey :P
Niko Takahashi
Yoshitomi Group
#12 - 2012-04-16 14:49:03 UTC
Fireflyb1 wrote:
Niko Takahashi wrote:
Goran Konjich wrote:
Jack Miton wrote:
if youre asking this question, you probably shouldnt be flying a cynabal.


if youre replying to this thread, you probably shouldnt be reading it in the first place


That might be but it does not make his comment invalid.

If you do not know the difference between the auto-cannons and artillery you should be flying a rupture not a Cynabal.


Yeah but Jack's post is just to appear superior and douchey :P


That it is Lol but it is correct however since he is asking for info only and not flying the ship all is good.

As far as comments that Cynabal is not PVE ship 100 % spot on tired it for lvl3's

Fun factor high no problem doing any lvl3 with 900+ with the Afterburner but still not good pve ship.
Mia Trouble
Phoenix Hell Raiser
#13 - 2012-05-05 04:23:03 UTC
Torothin wrote:
OP,

This is not a PvE ship. Under no circumstance what so ever should this be a PvE ship.

Is this law because i'm breaking it ? Are you the one to stop me or anyone else from using the cynabal for pve I'll fly what i want where i want when i want within accordence to the game mechanics so unless the pirate ships get thrown out of high sec i'm gonna keep using them

I am optimistically pessimistic 

The Atomium
Global Song Setup
#14 - 2012-05-05 04:29:12 UTC  |  Edited by: The Atomium
[Cynabal, gotta go fast]
Nanofiber Internal Structure II
Gyrostabilizer II
Gyrostabilizer II
Tracking Enhancer II
Damage Control II

Shadow Serpentis Warp Disruptor
10MN MicroWarpdrive II
Invulnerability Field II
Large Shield Extender II
Large Shield Extender II

425mm AutoCannon II, Barrage M
425mm AutoCannon II, Barrage M
425mm AutoCannon II, Barrage M
425mm AutoCannon II, Barrage M
Medium Energy Neutralizer II

Medium Anti-EM Screen Reinforcer I
Medium Core Defence Field Extender I
Medium Core Defence Field Extender I

you can switch out the DC II against a second TE II.

aka Luba Cibre

Mia Trouble
Phoenix Hell Raiser
#15 - 2012-05-05 05:34:11 UTC
(Mission runner Cyn)



Gyrostabilizer II
Gyrostabilizer II
Gyrostabilizer II
Tracking Enhancer II
Tracking Enhancer II

Target Painter II
10MN Afterburner II
Shield booster II
EM Ward Amplifier II
Thermic Dissipation Amp II

425mm AutoCannon II, Ammo Mission spec
425mm AutoCannon II, Ammo Mission spec
425mm AutoCannon II, Ammo Mission spec
425mm AutoCannon II, Ammo Mission spec
Medium Nosferatu II

Medium Anti-Kinetic Screen Reinforcer I
Medium Projectile metastasis adjuster
Medium Projectile Collision Accelerator


Makes a perfect lvl 3 and 4 runner

I am optimistically pessimistic 

Viribus
Aurora.
OnlyFleets.
#16 - 2012-05-05 05:39:22 UTC
The Atomium wrote:
[Cynabal, gotta go fast]
Nanofiber Internal Structure II
Gyrostabilizer II
Gyrostabilizer II
Tracking Enhancer II
Damage Control II

Shadow Serpentis Warp Disruptor
10MN MicroWarpdrive II
Invulnerability Field II
Large Shield Extender II
Large Shield Extender II

425mm AutoCannon II, Barrage M
425mm AutoCannon II, Barrage M
425mm AutoCannon II, Barrage M
425mm AutoCannon II, Barrage M
Medium Energy Neutralizer II

Medium Anti-EM Screen Reinforcer I
Medium Core Defence Field Extender I
Medium Core Defence Field Extender I

you can switch out the DC II against a second TE II.


No, you switch out the nano for a second TE. The cynabal doesn't need to be faster or more agile, it needs more range and tracking.

Also:

>T2 MWD
>Invuln and not a third LSE or an AB

Jesus christ how horrifying
Copine Callmeknau
Dirty Vagrants
Intergalactic Space Hobos
#17 - 2012-05-05 06:04:50 UTC
The Atomium wrote:
[Cynabal, gotta go fast]
Nanofiber Internal Structure II
Gyrostabilizer II
Gyrostabilizer II
Tracking Enhancer II
Damage Control II

Shadow Serpentis Warp Disruptor
10MN MicroWarpdrive II
Invulnerability Field II
Large Shield Extender II
Large Shield Extender II

425mm AutoCannon II, Barrage M
425mm AutoCannon II, Barrage M
425mm AutoCannon II, Barrage M
425mm AutoCannon II, Barrage M
Medium Energy Neutralizer II

Medium Anti-EM Screen Reinforcer I
Medium Core Defence Field Extender I
Medium Core Defence Field Extender I

you can switch out the DC II against a second TE II.

Less EFT, moar l2p

There should be a rather awesome pic here

Klown Walk
Science and Trade Institute
Caldari State
#18 - 2012-05-05 10:48:05 UTC
If you can afford a crystal set and have access to links:

[Cynabal, New Setup 1]
Tracking Enhancer II
Tracking Enhancer II
Gyrostabilizer II
Gyrostabilizer II
Damage Control II

Dread Guristas Large Shield Booster
Invulnerability Field II
Shadow Serpentis 100MN Afterburner
Dark Blood Warp Scrambler
Medium Capacitor Booster II, Navy Cap Booster 800

220mm Vulcan AutoCannon II, Republic Fleet EMP M
220mm Vulcan AutoCannon II, Republic Fleet EMP M
220mm Vulcan AutoCannon II, Republic Fleet EMP M
220mm Vulcan AutoCannon II, Republic Fleet EMP M
Small Diminishing Power System Drain I

Medium Anti-EM Screen Reinforcer II
Medium Anti-Kinetic Screen Reinforcer II
Medium Anti-Thermal Screen Reinforcer II


Valkyrie II x5