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POS Size Defense Questions

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Chan JackieChan
Northern Star Cartel
#1 - 2012-04-16 09:20:01 UTC

Hello everyone,

I am planning on setting up a small solo to 3 man operation in a C2 wormhole with a LS static. I have a few questions regarding my ability to defend a POS, specifically in regards to the small sized towers. In terms of my intentions with the WH space, I only plan on running sites, salvaging, and some small-scale PI, so there are no need for any modules on the PoS other than the Ship Maintenance Array, and the Corporate Hangar. By my logic, a C2 with a static low sec would probably have minimal traffic as opposed to any class WH with a high sec static.

Here are my questions:

ArrowIs a small PoS able to be defended, or at least pose a deterrent to any roaming gangs who might be bored, but not bored enough to structure bash a small POS with obviously no juicy modules?

ArrowWould I be better off fitting the POS with just hardeners or mass ECM on a caldari faction tower to make it too annoying or not worth shooting at?

The ECM option I have considered would be especially useful because if I was logged off, the 8 ECM towers would cycle through targets and I wouldn't have to be especially "on top" of my game with the starbase defense management.

ArrowIf no combination of defense on a small tower is do-able, would it be "worth it" in my situation to upgrade to a medium PoS, or just put up a throw-away small tower instead? I would assume medium towers pose a MUCH larger threat than small ones.

Of course, I have 2 characters with Starbase Defense IV. Any choice or combination regarding any of the faction towers is okay by me.

Thank you in advance for your time and feedback.
churrros
afwewafe
#2 - 2012-04-16 11:05:40 UTC
A small Pos takes like 2 hours to reinforce in a BC gang so I recommend large towers
Chan JackieChan
Northern Star Cartel
#3 - 2012-04-16 11:30:00 UTC
Thank you for the reply.

A BC sized gang of what size will take 2 hours? And against a gang that size, would 8 small close range batteries + 2x web and 2x scram be enough to deter or kill anything from that gang, assuming equal competence on both sides?

In that case, the mass ECM tower seems like it might be annoying enough to not want to shoot at for probably no reward.
Hathrul
School of Applied Knowledge
Caldari State
#4 - 2012-04-16 11:36:25 UTC
a small tower simply doesnt have the power and cpu for defense. if you use one, dont put defenses on it and accept that itll get burned to the ground with the first roaming gang that is extremely bored (or one of the corp's / alliances that make a point of removing small towers from wh space).

a medium tower can be defended decently to the point where if you look like a low value target, most people wont bother. since you are talking about a c2, make a full ecm tower. its the most effective defense for a system where dreads cant get in. also remember to put enough defense mods on it. 50 > 20, no matter if you can online them. if a pos looks like a tough nut, itll stay up. if it looks easy, itll go down
Chan JackieChan
Northern Star Cartel
#5 - 2012-04-16 11:41:40 UTC
Thanks for your advice.

By a full ECM tower, do you mean literally only mixed ECM types and no guns / missles on a medium caldari tower? Or mixed between "offensive" defense and EWAR?
Hathrul
School of Applied Knowledge
Caldari State
#6 - 2012-04-16 11:50:05 UTC
Chan JackieChan wrote:
Thanks for your advice.

By a full ECM tower, do you mean literally only mixed ECM types and no guns / missles on a medium caldari tower? Or mixed between "offensive" defense and EWAR?


its a defensive tower, not offensive. its nice to have 1 or 2 scrams and some medium guns (never ever use missiles on towers. theyre terrible), but the defense should consist of annoying the crap out of anyone attacking it. ecm tends to do that and is very very cap/cpu friendly
Chan JackieChan
Northern Star Cartel
#7 - 2012-04-16 12:11:14 UTC
These replies have been very helpful.

Using the vexar pos fitting tool, I setup a PoS that has 6x of every race specific ECM, 2 scrams, and 2 shield hardeners on a Dread Guristas medium PoS. If that does not seem like a totally drunk setup, then I will probably go ahead and put that up in a WH.

Hathrul
School of Applied Knowledge
Caldari State
#8 - 2012-04-16 12:15:25 UTC
Chan JackieChan wrote:
These replies have been very helpful.

Using the vexar pos fitting tool, I setup a PoS that has 6x of every race specific ECM, 2 scrams, and 2 shield hardeners on a Dread Guristas medium PoS. If that does not seem like a totally drunk setup, then I will probably go ahead and put that up in a WH.




as i said, 20 < 40 mods. always have more mods then you can have online. use at least 5 hardeners, even though youd only keep 2 online. if you get attacked its nice if you can turn on new defenses as they grind them down. though if they attack they will remove your pos, having the mods in the 1st place, online or offline, will make them think a bit longer before going

dont forget like 4 medium ac's
Chan JackieChan
Northern Star Cartel
#9 - 2012-04-16 12:22:42 UTC
Thanks for your time.

Alright, I will have online at first the fit I listed, and have 4 energy neut towers, 4 medium ACs, 50% more ECM, and one of each hardener offline and ready.

Should the guns always be online?
Dasola
New Edens Freeports
#10 - 2012-04-16 12:38:32 UTC
Chan JackieChan wrote:
Thanks for your time.

Alright, I will have online at first the fit I listed, and have 4 energy neut towers, 4 medium ACs, 50% more ECM, and one of each hardener offline and ready.

Should the guns always be online?


I would recomend it, since your planning setting this tower in WH space, where anyone can attack you without wardeck. WH space is essentially 0.0 space without local and soverinity.

We are Minmatar, Our ship are made of scraps, but look what our scraps can do...

Kyros Xero
Xuronautics
#11 - 2012-04-16 14:44:43 UTC
I might reconsider the faction tower.

We had our Medium Domination tower under siege for a few hours a couple months ago. After things were resolved, through conversations with our attackers we learned some of the highlights of what made us look like a tempting target:

1. Only a medium tower
2. Shiny faction tower
3. No backup anchored POS defenses

We had splurged on the faction Medium thinking the extra bit of defense would help deter attackers, but instead it made us look like a giant floating loot piƱata. We had resisted moving to a Large, but since that experience we have upgraded to a mundane Large tower with lots of spares anchored and feel much more secure.

If you really want to sell the "space hobo" defense, I would recommend sticking with a non-faction tower of whatever size, and don't fly T3s when you have open wormholes.
Chan JackieChan
Northern Star Cartel
#12 - 2012-04-16 16:18:51 UTC
Interesting insight regarding the faction tower.

The more I learn about this, the more I am drawn to just having a small PoS with hardeners and ECM, in the hopes that it will deter any would-be attackers just by how annoying it would be. What roaming game wants to spend 2+ hours battling ECM?

I am also betting a lot on the fact that a C2 + LS static won't have much activity. But who knows.
churrros
afwewafe
#13 - 2012-04-16 16:41:21 UTC
Chan JackieChan wrote:
Interesting insight regarding the faction tower.

The more I learn about this, the more I am drawn to just having a small PoS with hardeners and ECM, in the hopes that it will deter any would-be attackers just by how annoying it would be. What roaming game wants to spend 2+ hours battling ECM?

I am also betting a lot on the fact that a C2 + LS static won't have much activity. But who knows.



btw that 2 hours was with 6 bcs and later on escalated(brought some bored friends) to a whooping 14 bcs...

So bored people will bash on your small pos since it really doesn't take that long to take down.

You have no idea what people in EVE are willing to do to **** in other people's cornflakes.

Also the problem with small pos's are not just their hp but their grid and cpu don't allow for any real defense.

I was in a nano fit hurricane when I was bashing that pos, and the 4 small arties that the pos owners could fit didn't even scrape my armor by the time we incapped all the guns.

They later brought friends so we never finished them off, but unless you have friends that you can batphone, I would no t recommend small towers.
mxzf
Shovel Bros
#14 - 2012-04-16 16:50:40 UTC
A couple tips.

First off, don't go with a faction tower. They're very expensive and, especially a lone small/med one in a WH with marginal defenses, scream "attack me, my owners have lots of money to waste".

Second, there are generally two schools of thought when it comes to POS defenses. First off there's the Large "don't mess with me or I'll mess your face up" towers and then there's the small/med "I didn't care about it that much anyways" fit (a couple guns to deter a lone guy in an Oracle wasting an afternoon, but cheap enough to shrug it off if it dies).

Personally my POS of choice in a WH is the cheap and disposable kind. Especially for solo/small group work. You can typically pay off a small POS in a few days to a week of work in a WH and it doesn't take hours of hauling and anchoring to get the thing set up. IMO the deathstar setup is only really viable and worthwhile if you're planning on living there with a large group long-term and want to solidly defend your system against any intruders.

Third, don't underestimate the value of Stront. A small tower can hold almost two days worth of Stront. Unless you really **** someone off or they really want your system, very few gangs are going to feel like spending two days sitting around waiting for the POS to come out of RF.
Chan JackieChan
Northern Star Cartel
#15 - 2012-04-16 18:13:00 UTC
Thank you for the responses.

mxzf wrote:


Personally my POS of choice in a WH is the cheap and disposable kind. Especially for solo/small group work. You can typically pay off a small POS in a few days to a week of work in a WH and it doesn't take hours of hauling and anchoring to get the thing set up. IMO the deathstar setup is only really viable and worthwhile if you're planning on living there with a large group long-term and want to solidly defend your system against any intruders.


In terms of knowing what people are willing to do to **** in cereal, I am familiar with the concept. This piece of advice is a very good point. On that note, I will just put up a small POS, throw a few guns on it, an energy neut, and a scram, and treat it as a "throw away."

Thank you all for your input, fly safe o7