Ships & Modules

So I need help deciding which one to fly (will eventually fly both but i want to get good with 1 before trying the other). They both seem to excel at kiting at 17km or so but which would I want to fly for small frigate gang or solo (aka they seem so close so its hard to choose). Also some general tactics/tricks

Slicer at 3099m/s has the speed to kite, Retribution at 2297m/s does not.

ya for now i guess ill give the slicer a try just because with a set of lowgrade-Snakes I can zip around going over 4km/s

ya so if I'm up against say a fire-tail who can easily fly faster then me how do I counter him long enough to burn through his tank before getting scrammed/webbed to oblivion. basically if I'm up against a frigate that can close range what are some general tactics I can use to make up for the lower speed (assuming I decide to fight and not run away). I'm asking this because my Slicer has like no tank and is set up to kite

[Imperial Navy Slicer, nano kiter] Price = 12-15mil

2x Medium Pulse Laser II (Scorch S)

1MN MicroWarpdrive II
Warp Disruptor II

Heat Sink II
Tracking Enhancer II
Nanofiber Internal Structure II
Beta Reactor Control: Capacitor Power Relay I
Overdrive Injector System II

Small Low Friction Nozzle Joints I
Small Energy Collision Accelerator I
Small Energy Metastasis Adjuster I


Stats: (assuming a set of LG Snakes since I will be using them)

Speed (assuming lvl4 nav skills)

4,316 m/s
6,166 m/s (overloaded)

2.48s align time
3.71s w/ mwd on


Damage/Range (with wolfe's skills)

120dps, 17.3km optimal, 3.1km falloff (Scorch)
151dps, 5.7km optimal,3.1km falloff (Imperial navy multi, will not be engaging at this range!)

Cap

-With either one off the mids off its cap stable
-with everything but guns on its stable
-everything running 1min 40s (should be fine when running everything if MWD is pulsed not perma runned)

Tank

stay at range and don't get hit.....

The kiting Retribution can still get a respectable performance with a few prop mods in it's abundant low slots, nowhere near the Slicers luck but workable.

Generally with most Slicers, if you get on top of them they lose all their tricks. With a Retribution you are still looking at around 5k ehp with a tracking bonus, that will give interceptors a hard time still.

The most striking difference is Amarr T2 resists. Un-bonused Warriors will kill a Slicer in about half a minute. It'll take the same Warriors two and a half minutes to kill the Retribution.

If it's tracking enhanced guns don't kill them first.


I'd rather go after a cruiser in a 'Bution







edit.

A Slicer with a Gisti C-type MWD has a sig radius of 207m
A Retribution with a Limited MWD has a sig radius of 123m

That's a bit more blaap-proof

Enyo is a fecking "paper" dps and actually using it full gank is the way to go with, the tanked version has less dps but still respectable dps enough to face most cruiser players doing piloting mistakes or low skills.
Fit it with 75mm for lols and shoot absolutely everything in max disruption distance for a decent dps. Love my Enyo

Blarpy is, hem, overpowered? -short range weapon like blasters shooting at rails distance and never miss, that simple.

Edit: I'd pick Slicer for tackle and support dps, for solo work Enyo and Blarpy everyday (ishkur too)

IDK the retribution may get twice the ehp and a little more damage but the lower speed removes its ability to dictate range against alot of other frigates. Also if you're engaging in close range like you are suggesting then their is other frigates out their that get more dps and a higher tank within that range. The Slicer going at 4.3km/s (this is using LG Snakes) has a better chance of dictating range and making full use of the scorch optimal where most other ships in its class won't be able to hit it. At the same time a retribution would more then likely destroy a slicer IMHO just because it can match its range and has a higher tank at the same time, but that's understandable.

No two ways about it. The Slicer is bitchin'. It would get my vote as the best frig in space, hands down. Just hop in one and buzz around, and if it doesn't like the odds it can buzz off.

Just don't underestimate the 'Bution. It can hold it's own and does surprise people. On a busy grid I'd feel safer in one of them. And with it's tracking bonus even Conflag starts to have it's uses. The frigates that outrun it won't be killing it (caveat-Dramiels and Daredevils are a problem for every frig) For the MWD/Scorch routine it's a good all-rounder.

As I see things

1.Retribution

Pros
-Decent tank
-Decent close range dps
-Can force any kiting frigate off the field with scorch
-Better vs missile boats like drakes (compared to both ships using mwd, sig + missiles sutff)

Cons
-compared to other brawlers it has generally lower ehp (when fitted with mwd, ab fit can pull off some nice ehp values)
-meh brawler dps compared to other brawlers in its class (typical of lasers, but still has the benefit of hitting out to 20k with scorch if need be)
-speed w/ MWD is average among frigates and in the long run afterburner fit may be better (as in can't be turned off by scram
-through the bonuses given it feels like the ship is trying to do to many things (makes it a good all-arounder but is out performed in any specific area)

2.Imperial Navy Slicer

Pros
-good kiter so has the gtfo ability most kiters have
-has decent dps out to 20k with scorch
-Is really good at dictating range and any close range brawler is completely at its mercy if flown correctly
-ship + fittings only cost about 15mil and still performs great with no candy on it
-may not be the fastest frigate but is far enough up there that as long as the enemy kiter isn't disengaging you can still put up a decent enough fight (you have the ability to win...but do you have the skill is the question here)
-only thing that I don't think it can't atleast try to engage is a drake with precision missiles (even then it can easily disingage

Cons
-Low EHP (once your webbed things get interesting
-Base speed is not that great so if you do get stuck in scram range (webbed or not) it can be difficult to break out of



If I missed anything or stated something incorrectly feel free to correct me

Besides any solo work I might try out in null I will mostly be with a frigate gang going around and messing some people up :) either way all the tests I have done have been on the test server (melted a rifter that got the better of me and managed to close range, barely lost any shield at all). So ya I'll be kiting around while my bros go down in a ball of flame :)


now for serious stuff I keep hearing people say that they can outrun Precision Heavy missiles. even overheating going over 6km/s the only way I can outrun them is to break range and burn away, thus losing point. Is there a trick to this or should I stop listening to rumors?