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I dont get it, whats the point of living in a nullsec system (sov or not) if you cant use its resources effectively, any nerf to local or buff to roams, means that mining out in null gets an even bigger nerf, not only ratting carriers.

Being unable to secure space to any real extent makes hisec activities that much more attractive to people. Why risk the carrier doing sanctums when i can be grinding l4 or incursions for more saftey and close to the same isk per hour. infact with missions you can hire a noob and get a percentage of the loot drops and salvage. thats not something that you see in nullsec.

Basically you are asking for zero ratting carrier kills. increase the risk, lower the numbers of people doing it as an alternative to hisec faucets. the ones that stick it out in null are the ones that will adapt and be aware of your roams well before you get to their area.

I don't understand what the 10 second local pause does for ratters reshipping, nor does it make any material difference to intel channels, as they can still see you from 10 jumps away.

your mod idea is stupid,

The 10 seconds is designed to make roaming feel less futile. Hence, it will ENCOURAGE more roaming.... It's not an unbalanced amount, as NO ship in the game can enter system, find a target, and warp to said target before appearing in local, even if they have the sanctum to warp to previously bookmarked... Currently, local ENTIRELY favors the prey, and this shifts the balance between hunter and prey a little to the favor of the hunter. Again, this is a minor shift primarily aimed at boosting the moral of 5-man cruiser/frigate roaming gangs.

As for my mod idea.... I realize it needs its own discussion on how to make it balanced, but the idea is extremely sound. The idea is that the locals have to defend their own space, or they suffer some consequences.... Currently, if a roaming gang comes in... the locals hide.... the roamers poke and prod, waiting for them to come out and play.... but typically they just hide. Everyone loses, as the roamers don't get a fight, and the locals don't get to PvE. With a mod similar to this, the roamers can at least punish the locals for a time period beyond the 10-20 minutes they poked about system. Hitting nullbears in the pocketbook is just about the ONLY way to get them to fight, and this is exactly I'm suggesting.

Really though, nullsec needs more group activities... I.E. Sanctums, havens, and hubs should typically require 3-6 battleships to run effectively (and the payouts increased accordingly). This way the locals will already be ganged and grouped up when a small gang comes through, and hence a little more willing to fight (hopefully).

1.) "You can't make people PvP": Non-consentual PvP is very much a part of EvE, no matter WHERE IN EVE you live. I agree with you, that blobs where there is little/no risk results in poor PvP experiences... the 10s delay to local would result in more ratter ganks, but not some "OMG NULLBEAR ARMEGEDDON!" I Rat in Nullsec for income... I have done so for a very long time, and there are two reasons I lose ships: a.) I don't pay attention becuase I'm pewpewing on my main, or b.) I play bait and bite off more than I can chew. I use smart ratting practices though, and it makes me nigh impossilbe to catch. Do you know what a 10 second change in local means.... those that take the time to rat safely will still be very safe, and those that don't take the time to rat safely have a 5% chance instead of a 1% chance of being caught...

2.) Occassionally I multibox to "solo" plexes in null.... and occassioinally I multibox in PvP too... However, most of the time PvP leaves too little wiggle room for multiboxing (unless your doing easy dps roles). So your friend multiboxing tengus is really not relevant!!!! What is relevant, is when I run the harder plexes with 3-4 corp mates, or WH's with 5-8 mates, or nullsec incursions with 9+ mates... We often stick around and fight when someone tries to crash the party. This is because we are already grouped up, organized, and ready to fight. My point is, a SINGLE person has little recourse against a small gang.... whereas a group of people, even in mostly PvE fit ships can put up a good fight against a small gang.

3.) The module idea: The 10-20 minutes is how long it takes to INSTALL the Effect... The reduced bounties EFFECTS would last for hours or more... i.e., the locals take 10-20 minutes to organize a response and stop the roamers from ******* up their system, or they stay safe until the roamers leave and then are left with a less bountiful system... It's their home system, they should be have to defend it beyond the 500 man CTA blob bullshit that is sov warfare... This thread: Player Created Incursions outlines the idea my corp mate had... I personally disagree with some of the details, but we both agree on the benefits something like this would add.... and its far from "a stupid idea".

4.) "Ouch my pocket book": Yes, when you have lots of income, the consequences of PvP aren't as meaningful. And more income means you can fly more blingy ships or take more risks becuase replacing it means less. This isn't an issue with catching ratters, its an issue with the distribution of income sources within EvE.

I PvP a lot... and I prefer good fights where I don't know if I'm going to win or lose way more than ganking some random passerby. Getting those fights is NOT easy.... To get people to engage in PvP, I've found you need several things:

a.) You have to be engageable. I can fly any subcap in the game, but typically roam in frigates because people are more likely to engage me.... I regularly take out roaming gangs, and if I bring out BC's w/ logistics, the only people that engage are bigger and meaner gangs.... But if I bring out t1 cruisers I'm much more likely to find some people to engage...

b.) There needs to be a reason to engage. I can go through 30 systems with ratting drakes/ravens/tengus while flying a solo rifter or taranis, and nobody will engage. To get a fight, I literally have to hang-out in a system to annoy the locals enough to ship up and chase me. And then, more often than not, they'll try to chase my rifter away using BCs with falcon and logistic support. The primary reason Agony's Lived in Syndicate for so long is because there are many nearby groups willing to ship up and come out and play (Props to the Syndicate Residents that regularly show up to fight!!)... The rotten, stinky truth is 90% of Sov Nullsec is full of carebears that just want to grind up assets.... the actual number of PvPers in this game is pretty low...
Most people in this game are afraid to lose their ships, and it's really, really pathetic.

In my mind, Nullsec resources should be plentiful that you can farm up a drake within 1-2 hours, and losing that drake should be no big deal... I know of certain Nullbear alliances that FORBID their players from willy-nilly engaging hostiles. I know of several alliances that forbid flying in space when there is an afk cloaker in system, etc, etc, etc.... THATS ********.... and any mechanic that makes silly corporation like this unable to operate in nullsec is a very good thing...

Sorry i had to edit your post a bit to fit the character count. I do not believe i have changed your message in any substantial way.
1.You misunderstand me when i say that about pvp, I dont mean that nullbear armageddon or anything, i Just mean that you wont get the people that are hiding to stop hiding.adding a ten second delay will mean that they warp out even faster and the people that you do catch, will be the ones that do the exact same things as they do now.

2. My friend in his tengus is exactly the point. make it so you need another ship and hes gonna get another account. make it so you need ten ships and it will be run by 3 actual people. make it need a fleet? it may never get run or it will take five people in specialized ships running it. none of them will engage a small roaming gang.

3. make it a anchorable and destructible module sure. but its a stupid idea if its not, i wonder how long it will take for someone to figure out a way to make it a perminate addition to afk cloaky ships. cause you cna be sure that this would be abused as all hell

4. well sure, dont imagine though that im saying that other things dont need to be nerfed, but it seems that attempting to increase the amount of nullbear ships destroyed will just mean that fewer try it and/or hide better.


a) yes, t1 cruisers will get engaged pretty often, by t2, bc gangs more often then not. thats not something thats easily fixed and not something that these changes would fix.

b) hot drops and pve fitting. i bring a drake you bring ten ships, i bring ten ships you cry blob, it never ends. most of the time pve fits die horribly to pvp fittings. why bother? half the time people rat is to build up an armory for the next cta and the new ship requirements that the alliance has. or to pay for that plex..

Im going to have to respond to the ast bit on another post

Hiderz are gonna hide, but catching 1/20 ratters rather than 1/100 ratters is a big improvement for the roamers. I "hope" it improves enough to encourage more roaming gangs.



Some people "solo" run incrusions multiboxing... they are few and far between. If you up the difficulty/rewards of Sanctums and Havens to require 8 ships, then MOST of the time people will run them in groups (assuming they pay well). If people are already organized into a group shooting NPC's, it's a small step to start shooting other players... especially when those NPC's have WH/Incursion level AI's that switch targets...



Many of the nuances were hashed out in the thread I linked... This isn't the place to discuss it, but it does need to be balanced between the attackers / defenders in a manner that encourages its use as a small gang item...



People are going to gank and blob, its part of the nature of this game. The only way you get people to be more reckless with their stuff, is if they care more about the fight than they do about their ship. The two ways this happens: a.) They have more resources than they know what to do with, or b.) They have goals they can accomplish while losing their ships. The random nullbear has no reason to fight, often grinding for capitals or plex rather than for a good fight. This is what needs to change... we need small gang oriented farms and fields to plunder and/or defend!!! People will defend their stuff when they have a reason to defend it. But what can a small roaming gang do in the current state of EvE? They can't RF a tower, they can't RF a station or its services, they can't effect system upgrades, nor PI, nor ... All the locals have to do is safe up, and then laugh as the marauders have nothing to maraude... We need livestock to steal, crops to burn, children to enslave, and wives to . . . And they should require fast action to save (<30 min). The more time people have to respond, the bigger the response, and the more likely a blob...



That's like saying if you want new businesses to open, you have to remove the risk in opening a business... IMO, get that pansy I-want-really-low-risk carebear mindset OUT of NULLSEC. Take off the training wheels and experience the other side of the spectrum: I KNOW Businesses will open when the Rewards are greater than the risks. People will partake in very risky activities whenever they see a decent reward for doing so!!! Look at WH's... people setup shop there ALL THE TIME, and they don't have local, or some intel network to let them know when bad guys are coming!! For the majority of cases, the isk they earn easily covers the losses they have. If tomorrow, they quintupled the NPC bounties in nullsec, but removed local altogether... do you really think people would flee to empire??? Hmm... I could grind missions for a couple hours to pay for a drake, or I could shoot 12 BS Belt rats, or run one sanctum. (Note: I wouldn't support this, because the riches of nullsec should primarily be in resource collection, not isk!!)

Nullsec should be risky, but with rewards that justify the risks...

I like the idea of group pve as a possible counter to getting jumped.

The one problem that would need to be addressed though, is the fact that you need to fit your ships differently for pve and pvp.

A bunch of incursion fit machariels, a webbing loki, and some 5/0 basilisks are great for grinding isk, but would make a poor home defense fleet.