Player Features and Ideas Discussion

Greetings.

I tried to look anything similar related to ganking but I couldn't find any and I don't know does CCP have interest changing how this works, so don't burn me for this.

Basically my idea is to add more weight to consequence for ganking someone in high-sec. Currently we have no insurance payout and some security standing loss penalty for illegal action such as ganking. For me it feels like its nothing while other side, the one who is being ganked, most likely loses their hundreds of millions worth of ship (Hulk, Mackinaw...) and gets no justice for the crime performed.

So here are my suggestion what Concord could do to make it more risky for the gankers:
(you can pick one or both)

[UPDATE]
I'll ditch whole training time penalty idea and try to make it more risky for gankers while trying to retain risk for the victims also, but still doable.

- Ganker pays victim the insurance payout for lost ship.
- If no ship is lost, no payout will be paid.
- If ship has no insurance, ganker pay default payout (90 000 isk or whatever it is)
- If multiple parties are involved in ganker party, payout is equally taken from all gankers.

- If ganker's wallet goes into negative due the payment, (s)he can't perform further illegal actions until he gets his wallet back to positive.
- Character with negative wallet cannot be terminated until wallet is back on positive

- Character who has performed illegal action cannot be terminated until certain period of time. 6 months is suggested for lockdown period.

- Trial accounts cannot perform illegal actions.

Risk of backfiring will increase for the gankers that they might not just lose 1 million worth of destroyer or 80 million worth battleship, but also have to pay a victim higher sum of money if ship is insured. Also attempting to reduce workarounds for temporary characters to do ganking instead.

These suggestions are open for constructive critisism and suggestion (with Details!) as ideas evolve all the time, but "trollololol!","i luv gankurz!" and "Really stupid" are hardly constructive. I would especially like to hear comments and alternatives for situation where ganker has no money to pay the insurance.
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1. Training Time Freeze

I would imagine this really discourages gankers to destroy T2 ships or/and freighters illegally in high-sec for easy salvage and loot. Training freeze could be around 5 to 14 days.

2. Monetary Compensation To The Victim

Title says it all. Price could be taken from database for how much victim lost or set default price to be sufficient for all basic high sec losses. Does conflict if ganker has no money. Perhaps applying training freeze if ganker doesn't pay?


Now many of you might think "But making trial accounts is easy way to go around this!"

Indeed.

So my additional suggestion would be to prevent trial accounts from performing illegal action(s). Mostly ganking, perhaps ninja-looting also so they can't go into mission and steal anything to extort with.
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My two cents.

- Crystalis

no, ganking is a somewhat integral part of EVE.

The premise of your idea is wrong. Ganking IS an intended game mechanic. What high sec is supposed to provide is higher penalties (relative to low sec) for engaging in "illegal aggression"... which hopefully dissuades the general rabble of the game from doing it left and right without completely preventing dedicated people who have found a way to earn a living doing it.

As for the cost disparity between ganker and gankee ships... you'll find that this trend extends into actual combat ships as well. A basic t1 frigate has the capacity to completely lock down a ship thousands of times it's sizes and value with a single mod.

So this proposes an interesting "solution" to ganking. I'd like to second the idea of a biomass lockdown for illegal activities by a character.

Rather than removing illegal actions from trial accounts I'd propose a greater sec status penalty for illegal actions. I'd imagine that concord will be watching the newest members of the capsuler community more closely & respond more drastically to hostile action until they had worked their way past the trial period.

The training freeze sounds incredibly petty, you're stopping actual character progression just because you're upset about falling prey to valid game play. That's not the kind of thing I would want to see happen to any player.

It's not a matter of perspective. You're affecting the account for something that is done in-game. That is pretty much the definition of meta-gaming.
It's completely nonsensical because it punishes legitimate gameplay for no good reason. It's nonsensical because it punishes the account for that legitimate gameplay. It's nonsensical because it automates something that you are supposed to do on your own. It's made even more nonsensical by your real-world parallels because they are completely irrelevant.
It's excessive because (again) you are punishing the account for legitimate gameplay. Unless you also want all gank victims to lose SP for losing their ships (no, not pod — ship, and no clone will help you) then the punishment is completely out of proportion to the supposed “crime”, because you're removing the one thing from the player that has any value in the game: time. It serves no purpose because (again) you're punishing legitimate gameplay, and there is absolutely no reason to do so since the action already carries a full set of punishments. It also serves no purpose because it doesn't address any kind of problem.

Then why did you put it in here?

Mild joking aside, the only reason to post anything on the forums is to get player reviewed. If you want CCP only to see it, you send them an Email.


As for you suggestion, it is way over the top.

Not every misfortune that befalls you in pubbie space can be blamed on distant nullsec empires that honestly don't care if you exist.

Wow risk vs reward actually exists in highsec, I am honestly surprised. Fit a tank and don't die as much, or fit mining mods and get a better yield but risk ganks.

I was about to ask if I can have your stuff..... but I get the impression that you are space-poor.

Posting in a troll thread.

Mmmm...

Nothing like Trolls getting Flamed in the morning :)