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Astroniomix
School of Applied Knowledge
Caldari State
#61 - 2012-04-17 14:00:36 UTC
Daemon Ceed wrote:
Ikonia wrote:


Therefor the punishement and the consequences MUST and hopefully WILL be increased very soon. In this world there is no place for gankers, simply forbid shooting at other players in hisec.

Cheers


Oh FFS, HTFU man. You can't forbid shooting in highsec anymore than you can forbid and 100% prevent such things in even the safest cities in the world. CCP has already made many sweeping changes to assuage the carebears who do nothing but make risk-free ISK all day, every day. It's nearly destroyed the very way of life that those such as myself enjoy and has also caused some of the terrible inflation we are seeing. Why should the way you like to play your game be more important than the way I like to play mine? This is the sandbox. Live with it or feel free to go back to WoW or whatever children's game you choose.

And as to the comments that gankings only motivation is to create grief, I got news for ya. We make damn good money off of what your ship drops and the salvage. The T2 salvage is quite profitable, especially seeing as I only lose at most a 2mil ISK gank Catalyst. This is the exact reason I don't bother ever ganking Covetors or Retrievers. There is hardly any profit in it except for the occasional strip miners. I gank for profit. The occasional tears are pretty nice, too.

I wish people would stop talking about higsec being "risk free isk". You are a ganker YOU ARE THE RISK.
Kazacy
BACKFIRE Squad
#62 - 2012-04-17 14:29:10 UTC
Astroniomix wrote:

I wish people would stop talking about higsec being "risk free isk". You are a ganker YOU ARE THE RISK.


indeed in hisec are gankers so it's not 100% free risk. but i repeat myself if you don't mine afk, pay attention and you are aligned you are practically safe. but if you wanna play afk .................. well in this case YOU choose a riskier path.
Sutskop
Republic Military School
Minmatar Republic
#63 - 2012-04-17 16:11:09 UTC
Delhaven wrote:
To summarize: I think CCP should get rid of CONCORD entirely and let Darwin take that over in the sandbox. This will allow both sides to have the ability to at least take matters into their own hands, and get rid of a system that is half-baked at best.


Now you just sound bitter :-(
CCP is trying to balance CONCORD to the way they feel it makes most sense for THE GAME. You know, having as much fun as possible and stuff.
Not for a comparison to real life.
The Crushah
Yarrtards With Epeen
#64 - 2012-04-17 16:31:56 UTC
Sutskop wrote:
Delhaven wrote:
To summarize: I think CCP should get rid of CONCORD entirely and let Darwin take that over in the sandbox. This will allow both sides to have the ability to at least take matters into their own hands, and get rid of a system that is half-baked at best.


Now you just sound bitter :-(
CCP is trying to balance CONCORD to the way they feel it makes most sense for THE GAME. You know, having as much fun as possible and stuff.
Not for a comparison to real life.


CCP is in an unenviable position right now of trying to increase their subscriber base while at least superficially maintaining the "theme" of EVE, mainly that it is a cold harsh world and you shouldnt undock anything you are not prepared to lose.

However, as has been mentioned already in this thread, CCP has already implemented 3 stop-gap patches to correct "unintended consequences" of their sandbox game, including one that merely prevents you from warping if you have GCC in hi-sec.

One of the joys for me in this game has always been finding and taking advantage of those "unintended consequences", namely the player base finding mechanics that the devs didnt anticipate. Nano Hacs, module stacking, cavalry Ravens, Boomerang suiciding, titan blapping, etc... The whole game consists of mechanics that the devs never thought of that 200,000 subscribers have theory-crafted into reality.


And yet, for the most part CCP has to do this. You cant **** off too much of the subscriber base before they decide to **** off and go play WoW again. Because the reality is, most of the game consists of carebears. Only ~10% of the players in this game actively participate in PvP. The rest are content to kill NPC's and build their own little empires in high sec.

In my opinion, in the future stuff like piracy and suiciding will be gradually marginalized in favor of null sec organized fleet pvp, high sec war decs, and so on. In other words, organized consentual PvP, I challenge you to a duel sir! Everything else will be unspoken of and treated like that ******* cousin you have that stole that car and went to jail that nobody talks about because everybody is embarrassed to be associated with him.
Alexis Fawn Molari
Deep Core Mining Inc.
Caldari State
#65 - 2012-04-17 17:59:27 UTC
Delhaven wrote:
If you want to make Eve more like real life


Start by taking away fluid space, warp drives, jump gates, clones, cloaking, and the ability to suck energy out of another ship's capacitor.

Then we'll talk about making crime enforcement "more realistic".
Ikonia
Royal Amarr Expeditions
#66 - 2012-04-18 07:51:29 UTC  |  Edited by: Ikonia
Daemon Ceed wrote:
Ikonia wrote:


Therefor the punishement and the consequences MUST and hopefully WILL be increased very soon. In this world there is no place for gankers, simply forbid shooting at other players in hisec.

Cheers


Oh FFS, HTFU man. You can't forbid shooting in highsec anymore than you can forbid and 100% prevent such things in even the safest cities in the world. CCP has already made many sweeping changes to assuage the carebears who do nothing but make risk-free ISK all day, every day. It's nearly destroyed the very way of life that those such as myself enjoy and has also caused some of the terrible inflation we are seeing. Why should the way you like to play your game be more important than the way I like to play mine? This is the sandbox. Live with it or feel free to go back to WoW or whatever children's game you choose.

And as to the comments that gankings only motivation is to create grief, I got news for ya. We make damn good money off of what your ship drops and the salvage. The T2 salvage is quite profitable, especially seeing as I only lose at most a 2mil ISK gank Catalyst. This is the exact reason I don't bother ever ganking Covetors or Retrievers. There is hardly any profit in it except for the occasional strip miners. I gank for profit. The occasional tears are pretty nice, too.


Stop complaining and posing about profit. Ganking is still not punished hard enough, and everybody posing about his profit by ganking, most probably never made profit.

Cheers

PS: Wether you consider this ironic, sarcastic, zynic or honest is you own decision. Idk.
Ludi Burek
Exit-Strategy
Minmatar Fleet Alliance
#67 - 2012-04-18 10:37:51 UTC
Two points that completely nullify the entire original post.

1.) Eve = a game with made up rules while Real Life = Actual life you live, with actual real rules.

2.) Suicide ganking is not actually illegal, as in against the made up game rules. It is in fact roleplaying criminal activities which this game offers and encourages as a feature.
Ludi Burek
Exit-Strategy
Minmatar Fleet Alliance
#68 - 2012-04-18 10:38:59 UTC  |  Edited by: Ludi Burek
fail post
Esha Ditrix
#69 - 2012-04-18 11:23:42 UTC
no

Its not an exploit, if the game lets you do it...
Ikonia
Royal Amarr Expeditions
#70 - 2012-04-19 11:18:21 UTC
Sutskop wrote:
Delhaven wrote:
To summarize: I think CCP should get rid of CONCORD entirely and let Darwin take that over in the sandbox. This will allow both sides to have the ability to at least take matters into their own hands, and get rid of a system that is half-baked at best.


Now you just sound bitter :-(
CCP is trying to balance CONCORD to the way they feel it makes most sense for THE GAME. You know, having as much fun as possible and stuff.
Not for a comparison to real life.


I wouldnt give too much on that tears. There are 100s or even 1000s of players out in low and null sec who WANT to play PVP. Those gankers here simply try to find a way to kill there, where they can calculate an easy kill, because their victim is not able to defend, not skilled enough or unaware about those exploit users.

Concord is still much too friendly and much too slow - a reaction of Concord within 0.01 secs is still too long. CCP is still too friendly. Punishment must be MUCH harder. So hard that a kill in highsec on purpose is only worth it, when a personal issue still lets it be worth the effort. Fun for some exploiters is not enough. Possible profit out of a highsec kill is not enough. This must be stopped.

It is that simple.

Cheers
Eryn Velasquez
#71 - 2012-04-19 11:26:27 UTC
Esha Ditrix wrote:
no

Its not an exploit, if the game lets you do it...


It's an exploit, when CCP says it is ...

_“A man's freedom consists in his being able to do whatever he wills, but that he should not, by any human power, be forced to do what is against his will.” ― Jean-Jacques Rousseau _
Kazacy
BACKFIRE Squad
#72 - 2012-04-19 11:27:59 UTC
Ikonia wrote:


I wouldnt give too much on that tears. There are 100s or even 1000s of players out in low and null sec who WANT to play PVP. Those gankers here simply try to find a way to kill there, where they can calculate an easy kill, because their victim is not able to defend, not skilled enough or unaware about those exploit users.

Concord is still much too friendly and much too slow - a reaction of Concord within 0.01 secs is still too long. CCP is still too friendly. Punishment must be MUCH harder. So hard that a kill in highsec on purpose is only worth it, when a personal issue still lets it be worth the effort. Fun for some exploiters is not enough. Possible profit out of a highsec kill is not enough. This must be stopped.

It is that simple.

Cheers



are you troll?
but if you are not a honest troll please show us where the bad ganker touch you (linky to lossmail will help alot).
Ikonia
Royal Amarr Expeditions
#73 - 2012-04-19 11:48:52 UTC
Kazacy wrote:
Ikonia wrote:


I wouldnt give too much on that tears. There are 100s or even 1000s of players out in low and null sec who WANT to play PVP. Those gankers here simply try to find a way to kill there, where they can calculate an easy kill, because their victim is not able to defend, not skilled enough or unaware about those exploit users.

Concord is still much too friendly and much too slow - a reaction of Concord within 0.01 secs is still too long. CCP is still too friendly. Punishment must be MUCH harder. So hard that a kill in highsec on purpose is only worth it, when a personal issue still lets it be worth the effort. Fun for some exploiters is not enough. Possible profit out of a highsec kill is not enough. This must be stopped.

It is that simple.

Cheers



are you troll?
but if you are not a honest troll please show us where the bad ganker touch you (linky to lossmail will help alot).


Nope i am not a troll, or at least i dont consider myself one.

I am not that often in Hisec, that i would be in danger of being ganked. I am not mining very much, tbh, i didnt do it since 6 month, my mining equipment is parked in a station container. So even less "danger" (lol). All i had to deal with was one quick pirate in lowsec, that cost me a HAC, but it was my mistake.

I consider a ganker not a risk for me, but for beginner players. They tried to get down my transporters more than once in Niarja and around, but never could take it out so far. I would say, i am not an easy target, since i dont want to PVP and know very well how to avoid to be found and engaged. If i am taken out by a pirate or PVPer in low or nullsec , then congratulations to him, he did a great job then.

You can find me for a gank always around the borders to low and nullsec short before i log out. The rest of the time im online in low, null or wh. Nothing where you would find one of these ganker noobs. So far i never was attacked succesfully by a ganker, and the last assault of a ganker is back like .. hmm .. over 2 years that ive been attacked by a ganker. But cant recall his name anymore. One of my corpmates was victim of one about 3 or 4 weeks ago, but he has not over 4 mio SP, so he was a perfect victim hehe. He is a real noob and he has to learn like we all have to: the hard way :)

Cheers
Kazacy
BACKFIRE Squad
#74 - 2012-04-19 11:58:08 UTC
Tbh (no trolling here) you should try alot more of solo pvp first; start with cheap t1 frigs and then move on the t1 cruisers/bc. you will have alot of fun much more than in expensive t2 shipsand in time you can upgrade easily to more expensive ships.

GL