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Rifter vs Navy Slicer
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Slug barf
Pator Tech School
Minmatar Republic
#1 - 2012-04-15 03:25:06 UTC
Can rifter win this fight? What would be a decent fit?
mxzf
Shovel Bros
#2 - 2012-04-15 03:30:42 UTC
If the Rifter can get the Slicer scrammed and webbed while using 200mm ACs, maybe. I don't think it has a prayer in a kiting matchup though.
Slug barf
Pator Tech School
Minmatar Republic
#3 - 2012-04-15 03:46:45 UTC
I was thinking I could tie it down with a overheated scrambler.

Current fit:
Hi's
3 125 AC's

Mid:
Scram
Shield Extender II
Micro-warp II

Lows:
Gyro II
Damage Control II
Nanofiber II

RIgs:
Burst Aerator Tech II ( 15% increase ROT )

Skills:
Everything LVL 5 combat related. This includes navigation, thermaldynamics ets...All 5
churrros
afwewafe
#4 - 2012-04-15 04:06:37 UTC
From personal experience, I have gotten scrammed and webbed by rifters in a slicer due to mistakes + stupidity in the past.

However, I always came out alive with something like 50% hull hp when I just changed the ammo to multifrequency and overloaded.

I don't know if it was just luck or nano fit slicers are supposed to brawl rifters and win, but I am going to guess its going to be pretty hard to kill a slicer in a rifter.

Jaguars on the other hand.....

god I hate jaguars.
Slug barf
Pator Tech School
Minmatar Republic
#5 - 2012-04-15 04:54:42 UTC
I figured they might be a little hardier then they appear.
Kahega Amielden
Rifterlings
#6 - 2012-04-15 04:55:47 UTC
Rifters are going to have ~3.5-4K ehp. Slicers will have a bit under 3 if not DCU tanked (most are not).


At kiting range, a slicer will be doing about a rifter's DPS. At close range it will be doing roughly 50% more than that.

If the rifter gets a scram very early in the fight (without losing a significant portion of its EHP to lasers) it'll probably win. It'll also win if it can scram/web the slicer and then orbit it close, as lasers don't track too well.
The Lobsters
Viziam
Amarr Empire
#7 - 2012-04-15 18:18:43 UTC  |  Edited by: The Lobsters
Caveat. I'm theorycrafting here.

But I did wonder the same thing as you and came up with this fit a while back. It's not been tested so don't blame me!


[Rifter, slicer killer]
Overdrive Injector System II
Overdrive Injector System II
Damage Control II

Limited 1MN MicroWarpdrive I
Warp Scrambler II
Balmer Series Tracking Disruptor I, Optimal Range Disruption

200mm AutoCannon II, Republic Fleet Phased Plasma S
200mm AutoCannon II, Republic Fleet Phased Plasma S
200mm AutoCannon II, Republic Fleet Phased Plasma S
Rocket Launcher II, Caldari Navy Inferno Rocket

Small Auxiliary Thrusters I
Small Auxiliary Thrusters I
Small Anti-EM Screen Reinforcer I




The reason I'm even daring to put such theorycraft up is the fact that I have lost a few Slicer's in my time.
Quite often it was when I was tracking disrupted and got cocky with my range.
They are agile boats and that can give the pilot a false sense of confidence.

Scram them, orbit them, melt them with thermal. TD's will spoil a Slicer's fun anyday


And remember, rifter's are cheap

That man is the noblest creature may be inferred from the fact that no other creature has contested his claim.
Darthewok
Perkone
Caldari State
#8 - 2012-04-15 18:47:07 UTC
[Rifter, Buffer]
Emergency Damage Control I
400mm Reinforced Rolled Tungsten Plates I
Micro Auxiliary Power Core II

1MN Afterburner II
Faint Epsilon Warp Scrambler I
'Langour' Drive Disruptor I

200mm AutoCannon II, Republic Fleet EMP S
200mm AutoCannon II, Republic Fleet EMP S
200mm AutoCannon II, Republic Fleet EMP S
Rocket Launcher II, Mjolnir Rage Rocket

Small Projectile Burst Aerator I
Small Projectile Collision Accelerator I
[empty rig slot]

4527 EHP (good resist to lasers makes it more)
149 DPS (overheating will add more)
Web and scram to control range
If he kites you, you lose.
If you scram and web him, you win.

CAVEAT RICHARDUS VOLVERE - YOU HAVE BEEN WARNED http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oHg5SJYRHA0
Hidden Snake
Inglorious-Basterds
#9 - 2012-04-16 10:17:16 UTC
scram web >>> dead slicer

not scramed >>> might be dead rifter ....


however many people forget u have to use barrage with rifter.


i ma talking about normal cookie cutter rifter and kiting mwd slicer not talking about some exotics.

Be afraid of 200 plate AB slicers .... might ruin ur day.
ChromeStriker
Sebiestor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#10 - 2012-04-16 10:35:47 UTC  |  Edited by: ChromeStriker
Use a Firetail, even the playing field a bit more...
Something like this...

[Republic Fleet Firetail, Anti Slicer]
Tracking Enhancer II
Reflective Plating II
200mm Reinforced Rolled Tungsten Plates I

Stasis Webifier II
Warp Scrambler II
1MN Afterburner II
Tracking Disruptor II, Optimal Range Disruption

200mm AutoCannon II, Republic Fleet Phased Plasma S
200mm AutoCannon II, Republic Fleet Phased Plasma S
[empty high slot]

[empty rig slot]
[empty rig slot]
[empty rig slot]

Rigs n lows to suit but with those mids he cant kite and will be Scrammed, and webbed, whilst your out manovering him doing full damage Blink

No Worries
Bengal Bob
Slymsloot Enterprises
#11 - 2012-04-16 13:45:34 UTC
Course you can. Rifter is the greatest ship ever. Slicers are scarce at the moment, and those that are out have booster alts etc, at least around my area, but they are beatable if they want to engage.

Faction wins everytime slicer: http://minmatar.eve-kill.net/?a=kill_detail&kll_id=8908307
Noobfit slicer: http://minmatar.eve-kill.net/?a=kill_detail&kll_id=9889907
Armor brawler slicer: http://minmatar.eve-kill.net/?a=kill_detail&kll_id=10640853
Kiting? http://minmatar.eve-kill.net/?a=kill_detail&kll_id=7781357

Actually, looking at kills, I don't have as many as I thought in rifters. Problems with slicers is they will often run when someone lands on grid. If they want to play though, you should be confident and remember to pilot manually. If you can't get scram, then leave.
Halete
Sebiestor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#12 - 2012-04-16 14:04:11 UTC
Confirmed; Bob's bald gives OP EM/Thermal resists.

"To know the true path, but yet, to never follow it. That is possibly the gravest sin" - The Scriptures, Book of Missions 13:21
TFirish3
Apollo's Rising
#13 - 2012-04-17 01:40:08 UTC
Most Slicers will try to kite you with Scorch. Have you tried fitting up a decent Arty Rifter to match his range? I'd still manually pilot to draw transversal down, but I think it'd be worth a shot.

http://www.rollinseveride.blogspot.com
Veshta Yoshida
PIE Inc.
Khimi Harar
#14 - 2012-04-17 02:52:44 UTC
Against a competent pilot .. shimmer of hope.

Against a FoTM pilot .. enjoy your loot.

Against a brawler Slicer .. Forgeddaboutit! Smile