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[Proposal] Corporate Industrial Projects

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fantazmythe
Caldari Provisions
Caldari State
#21 - 2012-05-10 14:58:31 UTC  |  Edited by: fantazmythe
Arduemont wrote:
fantazmythe wrote:
i also +1 the contract idea, would make things far simpler. and would make it easier for beginner miners, they could see a contract up and try to fill parts of it as they could and get payed for it.


This does bring up a new problem. With the system as it has been used when created by players, getting payed has relied on trust. If you create a contract that calculates people's contribution to a project, you would expect the mechanism for their getting payed to be inbuilt in the contract, but doing that could end up being a huge programing problem. I'll have a think about whether there is any really simple ways of doing that. Hopefully now that CCP have their new system for estimating mod/ship costs, this will be more feasible.





there is a simple way to alleviate that. players are not forced to accept the contract, they could just see what the vaule of the ore they are mining is and decide for themselves (whether they wish to accept the current price)


I.E make the contract show what the unit price is set at for each ore =)

then its far less coding =P
Rimase
#22 - 2012-05-11 09:14:20 UTC
This thread is awesome.

Looking to join Caldari Faction Warfare corporation!
Natyrius
Rotten Legion
#23 - 2012-05-12 01:17:07 UTC
Supported.

Get it done.
Davon Mandra'thin
Das Collective
#24 - 2012-05-22 12:10:32 UTC
Alternatively these contracts could work by commission.

You could put up a contact that would be "Megathron By Commission", which would have a price on it. You could set a percentage that the corp would keep when the item sold and then when people added the ore it could even show how much ISK ore contributors will get out of the Mega when it has sold.

That way the contact would have to be accepted by the person wanting the mega, and ore would have to be added to it in another way. The people looking to purchase the mega could even be able to see how close the Mega is to being done when they decide whether they want to accept the contract. This feels like its a difficult idea to convey in words over the forums. If I had the time or the enthusiasm, I should probably make example UI pictures to post up.
Rimase
#25 - 2012-05-22 12:26:44 UTC  |  Edited by: Rimase
Davon Mandra'thin wrote:
You could put up a contact that would be "Megathron By Commission", which would have a price on it. You could set a percentage that the corp would keep when the item sold and then when people added the ore it could even show how much ISK ore contributors will get out of the Mega when it has sold.

That way the contact would have to be accepted by the person wanting the mega, and ore would have to be added to it in another way. The people looking to purchase the mega could even be able to see how close the Mega is to being done when they decide whether they want to accept the contract.

Cool variation of contracting. Another bonus of this could be that players working on Commission do not require a ranking corporate member to set up a business contract because anyone would be capable of setting up a Commission contract on behalf of their corporation. This alone would regulate corporate business activity with added bonus of tax-free.



(CONTRIBUTION)
  • Personal Contracts: (what we have already).
  • Business Contracts: (issued by a qualifying corp member)
  • Commission Contracts: (issued by anyone within corp, tax-free)

Confliction: Tax-free Commissions are subject to fidelity of a sub-sequent setup of a Business Contract which are not tax-free. Where there's an already-existing Commission contract in the likeness of the Business contract you wish to create, this Commission contract may be adopted into a Business contract at any time.

Looking to join Caldari Faction Warfare corporation!
Arduemont
Rotten Legion
#26 - 2012-05-26 12:10:11 UTC
Davon Mandra'thin wrote:
Alternatively these contracts could work by commission.

You could put up a contact that would be "Megathron By Commission", which would have a price on it. You could set a percentage that the corp would keep when the item sold and then when people added the ore it could even show how much ISK ore contributors will get out of the Mega when it has sold.

That way the contact would have to be accepted by the person wanting the mega, and ore would have to be added to it in another way. The people looking to purchase the mega could even be able to see how close the Mega is to being done when they decide whether they want to accept the contract. This feels like its a difficult idea to convey in words over the forums. If I had the time or the enthusiasm, I should probably make example UI pictures to post up.


I like this idea alot. Im not sure Im going to update the OP yet to include it, just because it is a complicated idea to describe and I think it turns a much simpler system into a potential UI and programming nightmare. But I may update the OP at some point to include this, I just need to think it through more thoroughly.

"In the age of information, ignorance is a choice." www.stateofwar.co.nf
Marcel Devereux
Aideron Robotics
Aideron Robotics.
#27 - 2012-05-26 23:18:02 UTC  |  Edited by: Marcel Devereux
Your idea is sound but the suggested implementation is built upon a broken system. What we need is a complete rewrite of the industry system. A new industry system that is designed from ground up that has player cooperation at a corp level at its core is what is needed. CCP needs to learn to not be afraid to throw away code and just redo things.
Davon Mandra'thin
Das Collective
#28 - 2012-05-27 00:39:28 UTC
You mean like the new Unified Inventory? That went down well, after all.

Don't get me wrong, I agree whole heartedly. I just think that, because of all the recent whining and bitching, CCP wont be in a rush to rebuild a system from the ground up again (Even though I think they should).
Marcel Devereux
Aideron Robotics
Aideron Robotics.
#29 - 2012-05-27 00:49:13 UTC
Davon Mandra'thin wrote:
You mean like the new Unified Inventory? That went down well, after all.

Don't get me wrong, I agree whole heartedly. I just think that, because of all the recent whining and bitching, CCP wont be in a rush to rebuild a system from the ground up again (Even though I think they should).


That wasn't a rewrite of the inventory system just a new UI. What I mean is take all the crappy code and ideas in the current industry system (*cough* Blueprints *cough*) and start over. I don't want a face lift or bandaid as it will turn out like the Unified Inventory.
Marcel Devereux
Aideron Robotics
Aideron Robotics.
#30 - 2012-05-27 00:51:15 UTC
Marcel Devereux wrote:
Davon Mandra'thin wrote:
You mean like the new Unified Inventory? That went down well, after all.

Don't get me wrong, I agree whole heartedly. I just think that, because of all the recent whining and bitching, CCP wont be in a rush to rebuild a system from the ground up again (Even though I think they should).



That wasn't a rewrite of the inventory system just a new UI. What I mean is take all the crappy code and ideas in the current industry system (*cough* Blueprints *cough*) throw it out and start over. I don't want a face lift or bandaid as it will turn out like the Unified Inventory.
Arduemont
Rotten Legion
#31 - 2012-06-01 14:23:16 UTC
Thank you for the support everyone. Please keep it coming.

"In the age of information, ignorance is a choice." www.stateofwar.co.nf
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