Market Discussions

So, I've read a fair amount about the economic noms... and one particular subject continually has me asking the question, "You're joking right?"

On a few occasions in the devblog threads and some here in market discussion, I've witnessed people complaining (or even just mentioning) about the exhumer prices, and how they will drive people to use lesser mining ships to get the job done.

This is me hoping I'm just wrong, because, should I be correct, there would be a lot of misleading posts about this.

Prices of ships go up with mineral prices. with mineral prices rising, one can make more ISK/h(Assuming you are a miner). With more ISK/h, one could afford the more expensive ship hull that is caused due to the increased mineral prices. Basically, I'm saying the prices should actually not be, in any way, negatively affecting (effect?) miners. This is just me thinking generally. I have no real math to back it up, but even if I'm wrong about pricing of the ships, I should be right, because profit per hour is watched by certain people and this would change the amount of ships in production, thus balancing the hulk's pricing from time to time.

So, I'm thinking that the only thing that contributes to a Miner's actual losses is their incapability to stay safe. The current economy can only really affect (e?) their positive wallets. Those who can't stay safe probably deserve to believe their exhumers aren't worth the ISK... right?

Past:
A loss of a hulk - (Rough math) 200m... isk/h of veld - ~80
Few days back:
Lost Hulk - ~320m... isk/h of veld - ~180

(At work, can't really contribute decent numbers of minerals, t2 components, etc. apologies.)

well my point is directed towards those on the forums that have complained about the prices. I'm trying to point out (but not entirely sure if it is correct, because it seems obvious to me) that ISK/hour and ship costs are proportionately more helpful to miners than anyone else. increased mineral prices atm don't really help people making set amounts of isk... so with the increased hull prices it hurts everyone except miners. at least the way that I'm looking at it.

I could care less as to whether people are too lazy to mine in a fashionable manner, or eat chips and watch tv... There are people saying it isn't worth buying Hulks because of pricing... I think they're wrong. Whereas, the need to use cheaper pvp fleets sounds more like a legitimate complaint (even considering that I think the pricing bumps are reasonable, removal of many bots and projected 'nerfs' (Which cause buffs to indy) were asked for... and now the players have to deal with the executive decision... No reason to complain if you are getting the best part of an economical change...

Hope that made sense... I'm running 3 hours of sleep per day for the last week...

I think you missed my point, no offense.

Those people complaining, were complaining about newer prices. proportionally, they are making and losing the same amounts (if they are losing Mining ships*edit*...).

I'm trying to say, miner's shouldn't be affected (e?) by the pricing of Mining Ships*edit* today in comparison to beforehand.

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What I'm NOT trying to say is "Hulks are/n't worth the ISK for the amount they are blown up."

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Just as replacing other hulls like covetors.... they are proportionally replacing the same amount if their income is from selling minerals.

I don't have access to math tools from my work computer... but covetors cost more now too. nuff said.

ISK/m3 of Veld is 30 x Tritanium price. So it's about 160-180 ISK/m3 right now. Solo hulk mines 80-95k m3/hr depending on skills and how efficient you are at mining alone.

a. You don't seem to care about the goal here... I'm trying to gain confirmation / make people more aware about this. People have been confusingly complaining about this specific issue.

b. the numbers weren't in millions of isk/h. obviously. go grab a calculator, instead of reading 1/3rd of someone's post and making comments that contribute very little, and can be interpreted in multitudes of ways.



Expanding upon this -
2 months ago, this would be ~half the value ISK-wise. (~20 million an hour)
But also, 2 months ago, the price to replace a hulk was also only 190-210 million.

So... with cheap, inefficient math, the 4th grade version:
315m •••• 200m
--------- = ---------
35m/h •••• 20m/h

315m/35m/h=9 hours to replace
200m/20m/h=10 hours to replace

Lol. it takes, approximately 9 hours to replace your hulks now. whereas, 2 months ago, it took approximately 10 hours. Miners have absolutely no reason to complain at all about the current market changes. This is all subject to whether or not I'm missing something.

•The main reason I think this is the case is because minerals are more expensive and the T2 components to make the hull aren't really changing much in price. So it all seems valid to me.

All the bitching... and HULKAGEDDON hasn't even started yet...

Afraid you'll get ganked ? Use a damn Covetor for awhile... 10-15% the cost of a Hulk, and really, you'll be just as bored -- which is the real issue, but hey, that's "risk versus reward".

Mook

Let me explain something to you about EVE players by way of an analogy:

Imagine you were a powerful wizard, kind and wise, able to change reality, and you saw a lowly convenience store clerk, working at minimum wage to pay the rent on his horrible bed-sit apartment. You decide to make him King Of The Fairey World, and magic him away to a palace made of white marble and gold, full of beauty and wealth.

If the clerk immediately complains that you cost him his clerk job and his apartment, then you know you've just found an EVE player.

Oh, get over yourself muffykins... you might even have fun.


Mook

Smart carebears FTW!

Though I don't think anyone bothers going after an Orca. Trying to break a +200k EHP tank is not easy.