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You can only gank once every 15 minutes now?

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Eryn Velasquez
#21 - 2012-04-14 19:07:56 UTC
Herr Wilkus wrote:

What rock did you crawl out from under? Suicide ganking, boomeranging or not - you still lose your ship. The risk of losing it is 100%. Everyone but you knows this.


ROFL - it's so simple to avoid this risk. If you're definitely gonna lose your ship - just don't do it. Risk minimized to zero.

_“A man's freedom consists in his being able to do whatever he wills, but that he should not, by any human power, be forced to do what is against his will.” ― Jean-Jacques Rousseau _
Herr Wilkus
Aggressive Salvage Services LLC
#22 - 2012-04-14 20:06:59 UTC
Aqriue wrote:
Herr Wilkus wrote:
Mokanor Lenak wrote:


Miners are risking themselves to mine, but you don't want to risk your precious ship and ISK to kill miners.


What rock did you crawl out from under? Suicide ganking, boomeranging or not - you still lose your ship. The risk of losing it is 100%. Everyone but you knows this.

Since it only took you one sentence to demonstrate the depth of your ignorance - the rest of us can safely ignore anything else you say - until you demonstrate that you actually know something.

But extending the ability to prevent from getting ganked by CONCORD is an exploit of mechanics

- While in warp, they can't target you.
^^ oops, sorry to point that out. Couple of extra seconds everytime you warped
- CONCORD has response time, not kill time.
^^ oops, sorry to point that out. CONCORD responds by arriving on grid and can be pulled away. Since CONCORD needs a few seconds to arrive and lock your ass down...but you evaded it...you extended it and run rampant.

End result - You found a loophole. CCP said you can't evade CONCORD, but it doesn't say you can't extend that evasion either. They had to finally close that loophole to "One strike, BOOM!" They didn't remove ganking or give immunity, they just require that you find a more worthwile target when you do it and strike hard...then thats it, you don't get a free refill after refill of killmails like its a fast food resturant after buying one drink (or in this case, free ship kills after buying it once) until you toss the cup into the trash (CONCORD blowing up your ship in this case)


NOW its an exploit. Between Dec and the end of March it was perfectly legal. CCP modified their 'Concord' policy retroactively to include the tactic. If it WAS an exploit, I'd be banned right now. But I'm not. Explain it, if you feel otherwise.

Either way, when idiots say stuff like "you just don't want to lose your ship, hur hur", it implies a complete lack of understanding of the topic. You ALWAYS risk your ship, because it always dies. Your return on that risk may vary, but you still take that risk because Concord kills you 100% of the time.
DU1 -Sia
Lamorei Prosapia Vexillum
#23 - 2012-04-14 20:50:05 UTC
Ok Herr lets ignore your clever excuse on why it wasn't an exploit... but.

In the opener of the other thread you had this paragraph under your "strategic plan".

"Thus: I plan to do my utmost to 'encourage' young mining carebears to quit the game via selective, predatory ganking.
Effective immediately, all operations, reports, and petitions against mining botters will cease. No more 'padding' the KB with my new 'artificial friends'. In my view, mining bots are actually beneficial: They flood the market with minerals/ice and significantly depress 'real miner' earnings."

That paragraph clearly and distinctly shows your intention, is not to play the game, but to grief new players until they quit. Very specifically.
Also it shows you support the use of bots.

Your just a prat who has forgotten that this is a game, and seriously if your gonna come play with a second agenda to why your here... maybe hiding it more?
Harrigan VonStudly
Stay Frosty.
A Band Apart.
#24 - 2012-04-14 21:32:12 UTC  |  Edited by: ISD LoneLynx
What we have here is double speak. On one hand CCP says you are not intended to be completely safe in high sec, only "safer." On the other, they nerf nerf nerf in to the ground anything ************ in high sec cry about for years. It's double speak. Just come out CCP and state that you have gone from hard core cutting edge and dangerous to wimpy.
Herping yourDerp
Tribal Liberation Force
Minmatar Republic
#25 - 2012-04-14 21:47:27 UTC
Helios Black wrote:
Suddenly Boom wrote:
Awesome, so the only way to gank more than 4 times an hour is to have multiple ganking characters. You can't board a ship in space while on global criminal countdown, so orca doesn't work.

What about concord, Is it even possible to get concord out of the belt anymore?


So the "global criminal cooldown" is finally working properly and stopping you from avoiding its repercussions and you're upset?

HAHAHAAHHAAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA


this
Herr Wilkus
Aggressive Salvage Services LLC
#26 - 2012-04-14 22:35:15 UTC
DU1 -Sia wrote:
Ok Herr lets ignore your clever excuse on why it wasn't an exploit... but.

In the opener of the other thread you had this paragraph under your "strategic plan".

"Thus: I plan to do my utmost to 'encourage' young mining carebears to quit the game via selective, predatory ganking.
Effective immediately, all operations, reports, and petitions against mining botters will cease. No more 'padding' the KB with my new 'artificial friends'. In my view, mining bots are actually beneficial: They flood the market with minerals/ice and significantly depress 'real miner' earnings."

That paragraph clearly and distinctly shows your intention, is not to play the game, but to grief new players until they quit. Very specifically.
Also it shows you support the use of bots.

Your just a prat who has forgotten that this is a game, and seriously if your gonna come play with a second agenda to why your here... maybe hiding it more?


I believe less carebears is good for EVE. Because less whining carebears mean CCP Devs will cater to them less.
Miners tend to be carebears. Bots hurt miners even more than gankers, by injuring their income rate/hr.
Notice I didn't say that I was going to start botting myself - I just choose to leave them alone, while exclusively ganking 'actual' players.

Make sense now? Glad I could help.
Mokanor Lenak
Odd Fluffy Bunnies
#27 - 2012-04-15 04:07:38 UTC
Herr Wilkus wrote:
Mokanor Lenak wrote:


Miners are risking themselves to mine, but you don't want to risk your precious ship and ISK to kill miners.


What rock did you crawl out from under? Suicide ganking, boomeranging or not - you still lose your ship. The risk of losing it is 100%. Everyone but you knows this.

Since it only took you one sentence to demonstrate the depth of your ignorance - the rest of us can safely ignore anything else you say - until you demonstrate that you actually know something.


Don't be stupid.
Or better yet, be less stupid.

You were crying about losing your ship modules to some orca, you were crying about being podded by a "white knight", you were crying about being held from ganking by concord. You were crying.

Those are the risks I'm talking about. Warping away to die in another place to not lose your precious modules, or better yet, warping away to unfit your ship, or even better, spending 15 minutes warping to not losing your ship at all.
All of these are reducing the risk to almost zero.

Now you have to die, where you ganked, with the risk of being podded yourself, which is working as intended, which is what you are crying about.

So TL;DR: Cry some more friend Lol
Miners are not as much carebears as you think they are. You on the other hand are a bigger teddy bear than them all together.
SB Rico
Sumo Wrestlers
#28 - 2012-04-15 10:07:33 UTC  |  Edited by: SB Rico
Herr Wilkus wrote:
DU1 -Sia wrote:
Ok Herr lets ignore your clever excuse on why it wasn't an exploit... but.

In the opener of the other thread you had this paragraph under your "strategic plan".

"Thus: I plan to do my utmost to 'encourage' young mining carebears to quit the game via selective, predatory ganking.
Effective immediately, all operations, reports, and petitions against mining botters will cease. No more 'padding' the KB with my new 'artificial friends'. In my view, mining bots are actually beneficial: They flood the market with minerals/ice and significantly depress 'real miner' earnings."

That paragraph clearly and distinctly shows your intention, is not to play the game, but to grief new players until they quit. Very specifically.
Also it shows you support the use of bots.

Your just a prat who has forgotten that this is a game, and seriously if your gonna come play with a second agenda to why your here... maybe hiding it more?


I believe less carebears is good for EVE. Because less whining carebears mean CCP Devs will cater to them less.
Miners tend to be carebears. Bots hurt miners even more than gankers, by injuring their income rate/hr.
Notice I didn't say that I was going to start botting myself - I just choose to leave them alone, while exclusively ganking 'actual' players.

Make sense now? Glad I could help.



Err...

Less miners + no drone minerals would be a catastrophe.

After the next patch, no miners = no minerals = no ships on market

Sorry to say that even us griefers need miners not just as targets so driving them all out of the game to create some imaginary PVP utopia would be an extremely short-lived Pyrric victory.

CCP may sometimes overdo things in their favour but carebears are a necessary part of the economy.

What do the predators eat when the prey is gone?

On the other hand (being a fair minded type) Miners need to accept that grifers are necessary for them too,

Griefers kill ships and control the number of miners... That's a good thing for the miners who survive.

We create demand for ships and reduce the amount of ore on the market so you can sell faster for a better price.

We all have our roles so lets stop whining on forums and complaining to CCP and get on with the serious business of internet spaceships.

Scammers are currently selling killrights on this toon for up to 5mil, if you have paid for this service demand your money back at once.

Killing me should be for free.
Herr Wilkus
Aggressive Salvage Services LLC
#29 - 2012-04-15 12:51:16 UTC  |  Edited by: ISD LoneLynx
Mokanor Lenak wrote:

Now you have to die, where you ganked, with the risk of being podded yourself, which is working as intended, which is what you are crying about.


Lets talk stupidity. Just about everything you said here is factually wrong. Far from crying - I'm actually laughing, partially at you and partially at CCP. I'll just leave it at that though. "working as intended" indeed.

*snip*

Please refrain from uncivil attacks - ISD LoneLynx
Herr Wilkus
Aggressive Salvage Services LLC
#30 - 2012-04-15 13:04:31 UTC
SB Rico wrote:


Less miners + no drone minerals would be a catastrophe.

After the next patch, no miners = no minerals = no ships on market

Sorry to say that even us griefers need miners not just as targets so driving them all out of the game to create some imaginary PVP utopia would be an extremely short-lived Pyrric victory.

CCP may sometimes overdo things in their favour but carebears are a necessary part of the economy.

What do the predators eat when the prey is gone?

On the other hand (being a fair minded type) Miners need to accept that grifers are necessary for them too,

Griefers kill ships and control the number of miners... That's a good thing for the miners who survive.

We create demand for ships and reduce the amount of ore on the market so you can sell faster for a better price.

We all have our roles so lets stop whining on forums and complaining to CCP and get on with the serious business of internet spaceships.


I don't have a problem with industrial work.
When we talk about carebears, its more of an attitude than an actual profession.
There are plenty of miners out there who tank, stay alert, work as a team and protect their assets.
I respect that and they usually do not get ganked unless I catch them napping.

Its the entitled 'I want to mine AFK at max yield without risk', 'Its no fair that I lost my 3B ISK Marauder because I shot at a looter', 'Freighters should be invulnerable in highsec' types that I really have an issue with.

Suicide ganks and Mission ninjas are ONLY threat that exist for these players currently - as remote and preventable risk as it is - yet they even want those removed as well. Its BS.

If evading a wardec wasn't as simple as dropping corp, warfare against industrial/economic targets might be viable without suicide ganking. But wardecs don't work that way, and probably won't in the future either.
Ludi Burek
The Player Haters Corp
#31 - 2012-04-15 14:19:03 UTC  |  Edited by: Ludi Burek
SB Rico wrote:



Err...

Less miners + no drone minerals would be a catastrophe.

After the next patch, no miners = no minerals = no ships on market




Even though fairybairs have been singing this "We actually matter" song for years, fact was, eve would not have skipped a heartbeat if all miners stopped playing during the last 6-7 years. Finally, they may actually matter to the big eve picture. They told us so, but we didn't listen :)

That is all assuming ccp doesn't get bored of banning bots... lol
Sahara Uhuru
#32 - 2012-04-15 16:08:19 UTC
That's so cool. Every time I'm in the mood to read some tear filled posts I just have to go to C+P and read a ganker's thread.
More tears than I need to be happy.

'bears don't whine half as much as you do.
Herr Wilkus
Aggressive Salvage Services LLC
#33 - 2012-04-15 16:26:46 UTC
Aqriue wrote:
You need to give credit where it is due.

*holds up a picture, then gives one thumb*

This guy!Lol

So remember to send this dude a thank you email, before he sets his CSPA charge higher. Thanks to him, you can now only gank 4 times an hour.


Wrong. CCP isn't as smart as you think they are.
Cedo Nulli
Royal Amarr Institute
Amarr Empire
#34 - 2012-04-15 16:58:34 UTC
Lol ... suicide gankers are not predators .. they are carrion birds ...

What they requires no skill and does not count as PVP. Its just what kids do when there is no punishment for being a dickhead.

You still can suicide gank ... you just cant go amok and kill everything in sight while police are telling you to stop but not actually stopping you.

Suicide gankers have proven themselfs to be the biggest most whiniest group of EVE fliers and their tears and sweeter then any other kind. Not to mention they flow like rivers !
Katja Faith
Doomheim
#35 - 2012-04-15 17:03:30 UTC
Suddenly Boom wrote:
I ganked a mackinkaw, I docked up and got into a new ship and when I undocked i was told i can't warp until a 15 minute timer is up? This must be a new feature, is there any way to do a gank in hi-sec more than once every 15 minutes? What happens if you use an orca to jetison the ships and you jump into them while still global flagged to concord, you will be unable to warp again?

What about using an orca and jumping into the destroyer in the belt right next to your target whilst global flagged, will that work? lol


I've got a great idea: how about shooting at people that shoot back? :)
Herr Wilkus
Aggressive Salvage Services LLC
#36 - 2012-04-15 17:11:45 UTC
Katja Faith wrote:
Suddenly Boom wrote:
I ganked a mackinkaw, I docked up and got into a new ship and when I undocked i was told i can't warp until a 15 minute timer is up? This must be a new feature, is there any way to do a gank in hi-sec more than once every 15 minutes? What happens if you use an orca to jetison the ships and you jump into them while still global flagged to concord, you will be unable to warp again?

What about using an orca and jumping into the destroyer in the belt right next to your target whilst global flagged, will that work? lol


I've got a great idea: how about shooting at people that shoot back? :)


Miners shoot back. First with Hobgoblin I's, then with tears in local.
Krixtal Icefluxor
INLAND EMPIRE Galactic
#37 - 2012-04-15 17:23:50 UTC
Suddenly Boom wrote:
Awesome, so the only way to gank more than 4 times an hour is to have multiple ganking characters. You can't board a ship in space while on global criminal countdown, so orca doesn't work.

What about concord, Is it even possible to get concord out of the belt anymore?


Good GOD I'm loving the PANIC here. Lol

"He has mounted his hind-legs, and blown crass vapidities through the bowel of his neck."  - Ambrose Bierce on Oscar Wilde's Lecture in San Francisco 1882
Krixtal Icefluxor
INLAND EMPIRE Galactic
#38 - 2012-04-15 17:24:50 UTC  |  Edited by: Krixtal Icefluxor
Herr Wilkus wrote:

I believe less carebears is good for EVE. Because less whining carebears mean CCP Devs will cater to them less.
Miners tend to be carebears. Bots hurt miners even more than gankers, by injuring their income rate/hr.
Notice I didn't say that I was going to start botting myself - I just choose to leave them alone, while exclusively ganking 'actual' players.

Make sense now? Glad I could help.


Just throwing my sig up here.

"He has mounted his hind-legs, and blown crass vapidities through the bowel of his neck."  - Ambrose Bierce on Oscar Wilde's Lecture in San Francisco 1882
Herr Wilkus
Aggressive Salvage Services LLC
#39 - 2012-04-15 18:03:38 UTC
Krixtal Icefluxor wrote:
Suddenly Boom wrote:
Awesome, so the only way to gank more than 4 times an hour is to have multiple ganking characters. You can't board a ship in space while on global criminal countdown, so orca doesn't work.

What about concord, Is it even possible to get concord out of the belt anymore?


Good GOD I'm loving the PANIC here. Lol



Actually the OP is wrong. So where is the panic?
Katja Faith
Doomheim
#40 - 2012-04-15 18:11:18 UTC
Am I the only one that finds it ironic that, after four + years of playing this game, the only whining I ever read about is from the big, bad high-sec gankers? You guys just don't get it: gank all you like, we'll keep playing our game. As you roll thru toon-after-toon with -10 or so, we'll keep mining (I don't mine personally), and building stuff with "free minerals", and playing OUR game.