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Perihelion Olenard
#21 - 2012-04-18 20:30:10 UTC  |  Edited by: Perihelion Olenard
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axxeessee
Trade and Supplies Co.
#22 - 2012-04-18 21:35:39 UTC
lacal wrote:
axxeessee wrote:
I have looked at your KB, all ive seen is kills of carebears/noobs in **** fits with your 2bil ship supported with implants and links in your home system. (I really tried to find a real kill, but after going through the first 5 pages I couldnt find anything relevant so I gave up)


You did read the bit where I'd said what I'd built this ship for? My input, and fit, into this thread was because the OP sounded like he needed a ship to take out plex runners in null, which is similar to what I do in lo-sec. (and you skipped past the dual web pvp naga flown by a top ranked pilot then?)

axxeessee wrote:
A properly fit linked armor cane flown by a competent pilot with some SP would destroy that, it wouldnt even be a close fight. Double medium neut and 600dps would put way too much pressure on your tank, and have fun killing a 100k ehp cane with your pitiful 250 dps. The amount of ships Id take against your loki is just insane, hell, a dual rep thorax can tank 5 times your full dps so it would probably end up beating you since the loki cant hold much boosters.


Again you are wrong - I would go so far as to say you are now talking out your a**

Hurricane

1. Your assuming I'd be daft enough to engage a pvp cane that has his legion/command ship link booster in system, but lets say I did
2. Loki has larger cargo hold than 'cane
3. With Hail (unsuprisingly this is what I'd shoot at a cane) we're looking at over 400dps from the Loki
4. You cant get 100k EHP (against explosive) on a 'cane while sporting a rack of 220's, 2 med neuts, a med cap booster, a MWD and a 1600mm plate - even linked
5. Loki is cap stable with Navy 400's, even while double neuted, and can more than tank a cane with just a single unbonused shield resist link from a skirmish loki - need to use heat or a blue pill but that's normal
6. Cap charges including reload time last in excess of 5 minutes (thats 15 in cargo and 3 loaded) 300*400dps = 120,000 oh look your 'canes dead, even allowing for not getting the full dps due to falling out of optimal now and again

Thorax

1. Where can I buy one of these 1250dps tanked Thoraxes? (2*A type med armour reppers with strong exile and heat gives in the region of 600-700 dps tank - with my neut on you - for a grand total of 48 seconds! (this is even using med cap booster with 800's


axxeessee wrote:
And I will give you that one, cloaky lokis can kill terribly fit people when you have billions of hardware behind them and scouts on every gate, so they are not completely useless.


You know of my scouts? I'm starting to think I may have ganked you ion the past - U mad bro?


I was writing you a very long and proper response but then my internet decided to crash and I lost everything, I am now way too bored to retype everything so I will leave it as that.

You are basically fielding a multi billion ship (3bil crystals, 2+bil ship, Link alt, etc.) and achieve horrible stats that a linked BC/Cruiser could come close at matching. The dual rep thorax with t2 MAR costs around 30 mil and can pump 1400 dps tank linked and Dish 500 dps, maybe your loki would be it, it probably would, but thats far beside the point, the point is that youre putting a huge amount of isk for something that barely compares to 50mil ships. Anyone who would take more then 3 minutes efting a loki could get something that destroys yours extremely easily with half the amount of isk. If your ship does a good job at what you do in the game, then fine, whatever floats your boat, but dont go linking it to people who are looking for general fitting advice, your ship is not general, its a multi billion ship supported by many alts that doesnt leave a single system and is used solely to kill **** fit mission runners.
lacal
Meltdown Technologies
#23 - 2012-04-18 22:39:17 UTC
axxeessee wrote:
lacal wrote:
axxeessee wrote:
I have looked at your KB, all ive seen is kills of carebears/noobs in **** fits with your 2bil ship supported with implants and links in your home system. (I really tried to find a real kill, but after going through the first 5 pages I couldnt find anything relevant so I gave up)


You did read the bit where I'd said what I'd built this ship for? My input, and fit, into this thread was because the OP sounded like he needed a ship to take out plex runners in null, which is similar to what I do in lo-sec. (and you skipped past the dual web pvp naga flown by a top ranked pilot then?)

axxeessee wrote:
A properly fit linked armor cane flown by a competent pilot with some SP would destroy that, it wouldnt even be a close fight. Double medium neut and 600dps would put way too much pressure on your tank, and have fun killing a 100k ehp cane with your pitiful 250 dps. The amount of ships Id take against your loki is just insane, hell, a dual rep thorax can tank 5 times your full dps so it would probably end up beating you since the loki cant hold much boosters.


Again you are wrong - I would go so far as to say you are now talking out your a**

Hurricane

1. Your assuming I'd be daft enough to engage a pvp cane that has his legion/command ship link booster in system, but lets say I did
2. Loki has larger cargo hold than 'cane
3. With Hail (unsuprisingly this is what I'd shoot at a cane) we're looking at over 400dps from the Loki
4. You cant get 100k EHP (against explosive) on a 'cane while sporting a rack of 220's, 2 med neuts, a med cap booster, a MWD and a 1600mm plate - even linked
5. Loki is cap stable with Navy 400's, even while double neuted, and can more than tank a cane with just a single unbonused shield resist link from a skirmish loki - need to use heat or a blue pill but that's normal
6. Cap charges including reload time last in excess of 5 minutes (thats 15 in cargo and 3 loaded) 300*400dps = 120,000 oh look your 'canes dead, even allowing for not getting the full dps due to falling out of optimal now and again

Thorax

1. Where can I buy one of these 1250dps tanked Thoraxes? (2*A type med armour reppers with strong exile and heat gives in the region of 600-700 dps tank - with my neut on you - for a grand total of 48 seconds! (this is even using med cap booster with 800's


axxeessee wrote:
And I will give you that one, cloaky lokis can kill terribly fit people when you have billions of hardware behind them and scouts on every gate, so they are not completely useless.


You know of my scouts? I'm starting to think I may have ganked you ion the past - U mad bro?


I was writing you a very long and proper response but then my internet decided to crash and I lost everything, I am now way too bored to retype everything so I will leave it as that.

You are basically fielding a multi billion ship (3bil crystals, 2+bil ship, Link alt, etc.) and achieve horrible stats that a linked BC/Cruiser could come close at matching. The dual rep thorax with t2 MAR costs around 30 mil and can pump 1400 dps tank linked and Dish 500 dps, maybe your loki would be it, it probably would, but thats far beside the point, the point is that youre putting a huge amount of isk for something that barely compares to 50mil ships. Anyone who would take more then 3 minutes efting a loki could get something that destroys yours extremely easily with half the amount of isk. If your ship does a good job at what you do in the game, then fine, whatever floats your boat, but dont go linking it to people who are looking for general fitting advice, your ship is not general, its a multi billion ship supported by many alts that doesnt leave a single system and is used solely to kill **** fit mission runners.


Still no posting with your main or a killboard to back up your 'advice' and criticism?

The new forums save a draft of your 'long and detailed post' every few minutes or so now btw, so again your opening your mouth and letting the **** dribble out.

You cannot compare a cov ops ship to a non cov ops ship as the cov ops has the unique advantage of actually being able to get into a mission and point said mission runner. Your linked BC/Cruiser or imaginary super tanked thorax cannot and such is destined to fight other pvp'rs or hang about in gangs.

I'll link the fit wherever I want as I post with my main, have a kill board to back up the fit, offered a 'disclaimer' as to what I use it for and for most of us 5bill is not a lot of isk.
Bully Hedro
Imperial Shipment
Amarr Empire
#24 - 2012-04-19 03:46:29 UTC
lacal backed up his post with killboard stats.

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