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Caldari Plot to Undermine Minmatar Militia! Slave Trading Accusations!
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Muck Raker
Gutter Press
#1 - 2012-04-13 23:57:40 UTC
BREAKING NEWS!

Gutter Press has just been informed of a sensational story!

Renowned Minmatar Militia Freedom Fighter, Kikia Truzhari, has been framed by Caldari State agents for the vile act of slave trading!

Amazing!

This debacle took place in the popular capsuleer communication channel "The Summit" where many issues of the day are debated at length.

An individual claiming to be a Minmatar slave girl, stated they were being sold by their Holder, an unidentified person named "Lady Honoria". For thirty thousand ISK.

Gutter Press was unable to positively identify "Lady Honoria", and suspects it is a pseudonym.

A Caldari Agitator sent the following conversation, which occurred in front of dozens of other capsule pilots:

Taryn Oskold > For a valued servant, she requests an opening offer of thirty thousand ISK. If other bids are given, they will be considered also.
Kikia Truzhari sighs, rubbing the bridge of her nose and hoping this isn't a terrible idea. "Fine, send me her code and I'll autherize the isk transfer."
Taryn Oskold > Her deposit code is 114-98-0212.
Kikia Truzhari > Alright, I'll have the isk wired.
Taryn Oskold presses a button. "Your transfer has been recieved and accepted, Lady Kikia Truzhari."
Taryn Oskold > W-what I want is to serve you, my Lady....
Kikia Truzhari sighs loudly, "Fine, come back to the republic, I'll wire you a destination."
Kikia Truzhari > Abudban, Tribal Liberation Force Station. A Ring, Deck 3.
Taryn Oskold > As my Lady wishes.

Incredible!

This sensational framing of a freedom fighter, struggling against Caldari Oppression, was then gloated over by numerous Caldari persons, probably Heth's secret agents:

[23:48:31] Caldari Agitator > Minmatar slave girlie comes in and tries to sell herself. Minmatar freedom girlie buys. I laugh.

Amazing!

Gutter Press was surprised, as we had thought the depths of depravity which the Caldari State would sink to had already been reached.

We were wrong.

Rumours, Wars, Rumours of Wars, Wars of Rumours!
Caellach Marellus
Stormcrows
#2 - 2012-04-14 00:13:18 UTC
I hear selective quoting and jumping to conclusions makes anything people want to hear come to reality.

I preferred you when you did trashy journalism with actual truth to it. It was refreshing yet came with an interesting perspective to read from.

When your gut instincts tell you something is wrong, trust them. When your heart tells you something is right, ignore it, check with your brain first. Accept nothing, challenge everything.
Katrina Oniseki
Oniseki-Raata Internal Watch
Ishuk-Raata Enforcement Directive
#3 - 2012-04-14 00:18:53 UTC
Gutter Press? Summit Antics?

Seems legit.

Katrina Oniseki
Rek Jaiga
Teraa Matar
#4 - 2012-04-14 08:32:48 UTC
Because capsuleers who fight for freedom never do silly things like clear the markets of slaves in order to free them. That would just be too logical.
Akrasjel Lanate
Immemorial Coalescence Administration
Immemorial Coalescence
#5 - 2012-04-14 10:16:06 UTC
Katrina Oniseki wrote:
Gutter Press? Summit Antics?

Seems legit.

Maby for you.

CEO of Lanate Industries

Citizen of Solitude
Lyn Farel
Societas Imperialis Sceptri Coronaeque
Khimi Harar
#6 - 2012-04-14 10:38:56 UTC  |  Edited by: Lyn Farel
Rek Jaiga wrote:
Because capsuleers who fight for freedom never do silly things like clear the markets of slaves in order to free them. That would just be too logical.


Of course this is logical.

Buying slaves on the market to free them makes no sense at all, unless you are taking part in slavery yourself, but that would make even less sense if you are supposed to fight for "freedom".
Caellach Marellus
Stormcrows
#7 - 2012-04-14 12:57:06 UTC
Rek Jaiga wrote:
Because capsuleers who fight for freedom never do silly things like clear the markets of slaves in order to free them. That would just be too logical.


So essentially you pay the slaver for their services. How does this fight slavery, you become part of the problem.

When your gut instincts tell you something is wrong, trust them. When your heart tells you something is right, ignore it, check with your brain first. Accept nothing, challenge everything.
Kikia Truzhari
Teraa Matar
#8 - 2012-04-14 13:41:31 UTC
Caellach Marellus wrote:
Rek Jaiga wrote:
Because capsuleers who fight for freedom never do silly things like clear the markets of slaves in order to free them. That would just be too logical.


So essentially you pay the slaver for their services. How does this fight slavery, you become part of the problem.


I am in fact aware of this, hence why I don't do it too often. I'd much rather just rescue the slaves outright. But when they're right in front of me like that, and I know I could buy and free them so easily, or let them get sold to who knows what sort of vile person, its hard to just ignore them. It was a spur of the moment thing that generally I reserve for child slaves I find, and though at the end of the day, it doesn't really effectively do anything about the slave trade, its something I can't just sit by and watch happen while I can do something about it.
Desiderya
Blue Canary
Watch This
#9 - 2012-04-14 14:03:55 UTC
Rek Jaiga wrote:
Because capsuleers who fight for freedom never do silly things like clear the markets of slaves in order to free them. That would just be too logical.


You're doing the slavers a double-service. He gets the money and you're actually increasing the demand for slaves by 'buying them off'.
I understand the motivations, though, and they are noble.
The actions however, mh..
Nah.
Thinking ahead is sometimes a boon, you know.

Ruthlessness is the kindness of the wise.
Rek Jaiga
Teraa Matar
#10 - 2012-04-14 14:05:00 UTC
Part of the problem? ISK lasts a lifetime. Freedom will last generations. If I were to clear every single market of slaves, yes slavers would acquire ISK. But then what? I would love to see them try and re-enslave them at a rate exceeding my own activities of freeing them.
Kikia Truzhari
Teraa Matar
#11 - 2012-04-14 14:13:59 UTC
Rek Jaiga wrote:
Part of the problem? ISK lasts a lifetime. Freedom will last generations. If I were to clear every single market of slaves, yes slavers would acquire ISK. But then what? I would love to see them try and re-enslave them at a rate exceeding my own activities of freeing them.



There's an awful lot of slavers out there, and there's plenty of Amarrians who just don't sell their slaves at all. If buying all of the slaves was a reasonable way of ending slavery, it would have been done by now, we're by no means the capsuleer freedom fighters. Its not an effective method, because as much isk as we have, we couldn't actually afford to free all of them, and there are plenty who would remain enslaved if we just bought all the slaves people were trying to sell; its honestly a fairly small portion of the total slaves.
Caellach Marellus
Stormcrows
#12 - 2012-04-14 14:16:36 UTC
Rek Jaiga wrote:
Part of the problem? ISK lasts a lifetime. Freedom will last generations. If I were to clear every single market of slaves, yes slavers would acquire ISK. But then what? I would love to see them try and re-enslave them at a rate exceeding my own activities of freeing them.


Irrelevant, as long as they're being funded they'll continue their activities.

If they weren't making a profit they wouldn't do it at all.

When your gut instincts tell you something is wrong, trust them. When your heart tells you something is right, ignore it, check with your brain first. Accept nothing, challenge everything.
Rek Jaiga
Teraa Matar
#13 - 2012-04-14 14:32:44 UTC  |  Edited by: Rek Jaiga
I underatand the economics fine. What you people fail to factor in is how difficult it is to bribe off an autocannon aimed at you and firing..
Karmilla Strife
Societas Imperialis Sceptri Coronaeque
Khimi Harar
#14 - 2012-04-14 14:34:39 UTC
For thirty thousand a head, I'll gladly supply TRA with all the slaves they desire.
Caellach Marellus
Stormcrows
#15 - 2012-04-14 14:37:22 UTC
Rek Jaiga wrote:
I underatand the economics fine. What you people fail to factor in is how difficult it is to bribe off an autocannon aimed at you and firing..


If you stopped them every time, they wouldn't have Slaves at Market currently Captain.

When your gut instincts tell you something is wrong, trust them. When your heart tells you something is right, ignore it, check with your brain first. Accept nothing, challenge everything.
Rek Jaiga
Teraa Matar
#16 - 2012-04-14 14:39:37 UTC
Caellach Marellus wrote:
Rek Jaiga wrote:
I underatand the economics fine. What you people fail to factor in is how difficult it is to bribe off an autocannon aimed at you and firing..


If you stopped them every time, they wouldn't have Slaves at Market currently Captain.


Then I am not doing my job well enough and must try harder.
Caellach Marellus
Stormcrows
#17 - 2012-04-14 14:43:28 UTC
Rek Jaiga wrote:
Caellach Marellus wrote:
Rek Jaiga wrote:
I underatand the economics fine. What you people fail to factor in is how difficult it is to bribe off an autocannon aimed at you and firing..


If you stopped them every time, they wouldn't have Slaves at Market currently Captain.


Then I am not doing my job well enough and must try harder.


Partially, but also partially one needs to keep their emotions in check and not be swayed to the point where you undo your own work by financing their actions.

It's a tough call to make, but the right one.

When your gut instincts tell you something is wrong, trust them. When your heart tells you something is right, ignore it, check with your brain first. Accept nothing, challenge everything.
Rek Jaiga
Teraa Matar
#18 - 2012-04-14 14:45:17 UTC
Kikia Truzhari wrote:


There's an awful lot of slavers out there...


Yeah, there's something we can do about that.
Lyn Farel
Societas Imperialis Sceptri Coronaeque
Khimi Harar
#19 - 2012-04-14 17:08:48 UTC
Rek Jaiga wrote:
Part of the problem? ISK lasts a lifetime. Freedom will last generations. If I were to clear every single market of slaves, yes slavers would acquire ISK. But then what? I would love to see them try and re-enslave them at a rate exceeding my own activities of freeing them.


The more you increase demand, the more prices will skyrocket, and the more people will get interested in slave business. And there is virtually no limit to their potential number, except maybe the limit of people that can be enslaved. I am pretty sure, however, that anyone trying to end slavery is not going to see how far that limit is.

Rek Jaiga wrote:
Caellach Marellus wrote:
Rek Jaiga wrote:
I underatand the economics fine. What you people fail to factor in is how difficult it is to bribe off an autocannon aimed at you and firing..


If you stopped them every time, they wouldn't have Slaves at Market currently Captain.


Then I am not doing my job well enough and must try harder.


Your influence in that regard is restricted to pirate enclaves and the warzone. The latter is a tiny minority of the whole Empire. This fact invalidates the idea of freeing all the slaves by force. Unless of course, you are willing to fight against CONCORD itself.

Or does your job include something else than autocannon language ?
Katrina Oniseki
Oniseki-Raata Internal Watch
Ishuk-Raata Enforcement Directive
#20 - 2012-04-14 17:17:40 UTC
Akrasjel Lanate wrote:
Katrina Oniseki wrote:
Gutter Press? Summit Antics?

Seems legit.

Maby for you.


Sarcasm, dear Pilot.

Katrina Oniseki
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