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Some Command Ships now cheaper than T1 BS's
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Vince Snetterton
#1 - 2012-04-13 23:53:01 UTC
Minnie T2 BC's are close to tier 3 BS's, Amarr CS's are already lower.

Of course everything has been said, but the screaming will grow louder in the coming months as the stockpiles dwindle and Hulkageddon kicks in.
Oh, and for all you people saying "the market will adjust", (which it will), just how long does it take to turn a PvP/mission char into an effective mining char, especially if the char is spec'ed for perception/willpower? Further, how many PvP/mission chars WILL switch over?

The T2 BPO owners are very happy now, and will be even happier in the near future.

Maelstrom Jita average sell 30 days ago = 153M
Maelstrom Jita average sell today = 204M, high of 222M

Sleipnir Jita average sell 30 days ago = 231M
Sleipnir Jita average sell today = 242 M

Abaddon Jita average sell 30 days ago = 187M
Abaddon Jita average sell today = 248M, high of 251

Absolution Jita average sell 30 days ago = 202M
Absolution Jita average sell today = 210 M

Not even going to bother with the Gallente and Caldari.
Hemmo Paskiainen
#2 - 2012-04-13 23:55:39 UTC
whats the insurance on a bs & a commandschip?

a command shio bpo can max produce 20ish ships a month.

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Nub Sauce
State War Academy
Caldari State
#3 - 2012-04-13 23:57:59 UTC
Hemmo Paskiainen wrote:
whats the insurance on a bs & a commandschip?

a command shio bpo can max produce 20ish ships a month.


You can't run copies of T2 BPOs then use those to produce faster?
Sasha Azala
Doomheim
#4 - 2012-04-13 23:58:40 UTC
I'll never go back to mining, not done that for years.

I'd find it too boring, I don't play MMOs to fall asleep at the keyboard.
Doc Fury
Furious Enterprises
#5 - 2012-04-13 23:59:23 UTC
It's not the T2 BPO owners that are happy, it's inventors.


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Doc Fury
Furious Enterprises
#6 - 2012-04-14 00:00:05 UTC
Nub Sauce wrote:
Hemmo Paskiainen wrote:
whats the insurance on a bs & a commandschip?

a command shio bpo can max produce 20ish ships a month.


You can't run copies of T2 BPOs then use those to produce faster?


No, that was nerfed long ago.

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Tippia
Sunshine and Lollipops
#7 - 2012-04-14 00:08:27 UTC
Nub Sauce wrote:
You can't run copies of T2 BPOs then use those to produce faster?
With the copy times on those BPOs, no — all that would do is to massively slow down the production and make it cost more.
Vince Snetterton
#8 - 2012-04-14 00:21:18 UTC
Hemmo Paskiainen wrote:
whats the insurance on a bs & a commandschip?

a command shio bpo can max produce 20ish ships a month.



Taking the example of the Sleipnir:

Assume BPO of ME9 (1% waste), PE 19.
Mfg time at a station (though I have not calculated profit if you take the 10% mineral hit and mfg at POS with increased mfg time) is 1 day, 4, hrs, 48 minutes = 1.2 days = 25 Sleipnirs/month.
Approx 900 were sold in the past 30 days.

At ME 9, using current Jita sell prices, mfg costs, including Cyclone and R.A.M. is 215,330, 618
As stated, average sell price today was 242, 442, 910 in Jita.
That is a profit of 27,112, 292 / ship. Assuming the T2 owner can sell all 25 into the market of 900 sold in month, that is profit of 677,8097.300 for one mfg slot. That mfg slot of course has zero invention required, zero blueprint copying required. That is not too shabby.

And that number is sure going up as more and more BS pilots swap out for command ship, assuming they have the skills.
Mr M
Sebiestor Tribe
#9 - 2012-04-14 00:21:38 UTC
Looking at the mineral prices I'd say it's the miners that are happy now, only difference is that you have to think and keep an eye on local.

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Vince Snetterton
#10 - 2012-04-14 00:32:56 UTC
Mr M wrote:
Looking at the mineral prices I'd say it's the miners that are happy now, only difference is that you have to think and keep an eye on local.


With the increased amount of potential profit, there are more miners competing for limited rocks. Remember, the respawns are at static times. Also, the increased amount of miners, also known as bait fish, attracts more sharks, also known as gankers.
And yes, I am sure no known ganker will swap out his Catalyst or Tornado for a covops and go afk in a system.
Exhumer pilots will CERTAINLY risk their boats on the off chance the known ganker is indeed afk, not lurking.

Plus we have this little event known as Hulkageddon starting in 3 weeks.

It will be all peaches and cream for miners in high sec.
Ioci
Bad Girl Posse
#11 - 2012-04-14 00:43:46 UTC
Avoid the Damnation, they suck. Only 200K EHP and 4 tracking disruptors for crowd control. They are useless.

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Gogela
Epic Ganking Time
CODE.
#12 - 2012-04-14 00:56:44 UTC
N I G H T H A W K - the only non primary command ship. Suck it, blue.

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Dbars Grinding
Center for Advanced Studies
Gallente Federation
#13 - 2012-04-14 02:50:24 UTC  |  Edited by: Dbars Grinding
mining will still be the lowest income in the game. guy makes 100mil mining only to see that the combat ship he wants to buy has risen to 100mil. i dont understand people saying there will be more miners. Maybe if everything was the same price it 3 months ago. At this point i log on to see ship prices and think about going to pvp then loololol and log off. Ill just fly more frigs and cruisers.

I have more space likes than you. 
Corina Jarr
en Welle Shipping Inc.
#14 - 2012-04-14 02:52:27 UTC
Interestingly, Faction and T2 ships and modules are not raising in price as fast as regular ones.

My guess would be since their price comes mostly from the semi-rarity (and moon goo for T2), the mineral price flux has less effect than T1 stuff.
Corina Jarr
en Welle Shipping Inc.
#15 - 2012-04-14 02:56:07 UTC
Vince Snetterton wrote:
Mr M wrote:
Looking at the mineral prices I'd say it's the miners that are happy now, only difference is that you have to think and keep an eye on local.


With the increased amount of potential profit, there are more miners competing for limited rocks. Remember, the respawns are at static times. Also, the increased amount of miners, also known as bait fish, attracts more sharks, also known as gankers.
And yes, I am sure no known ganker will swap out his Catalyst or Tornado for a covops and go afk in a system.
Exhumer pilots will CERTAINLY risk their boats on the off chance the known ganker is indeed afk, not lurking.

Plus we have this little event known as Hulkageddon starting in 3 weeks.

It will be all peaches and cream for miners in high sec.

I've mined on and off for 2 years, through Hulkaggedons, and not once have been ganked (in a mining ship).

Even mined Gallente ice when Goons had their interdiction.


Mining is safer than HS mission running if you don't mind putting in a little effort.
Simetraz
State War Academy
Caldari State
#16 - 2012-04-14 03:03:15 UTC
NO surprise.

TRaders have been buying up all the minerals and holding them driving up the prices.
Now if you supress the miners to prevent them from stabilizing the market (Hulkeggon)
Then you end up with what we have now.

The builders and the few miners that are selling are just riding the train.

Prices will continue to go up till the traders decide to start selling again.

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Skydell
Bad Girl Posse
#17 - 2012-04-14 05:54:19 UTC
Corina Jarr wrote:
Interestingly, Faction and T2 ships and modules are not raising in price as fast as regular ones.

My guess would be since their price comes mostly from the semi-rarity (and moon goo for T2), the mineral price flux has less effect than T1 stuff.


It stands to reason. T2 Battleships could spike but 30 mill on a 750 mill ship, who cares? Most T2 are cruiser class and even at 200% on thier T1 hull its only making 5 or 6 mill difference to the 120-200 mill ship. Where there is no BPO, most of the cost is in the 50% waste base of the blueprint and T2 parts tied to that. For Amarr the largest is Tungsten Carbide.
Endeavour Starfleet
#18 - 2012-04-14 05:56:00 UTC
The solution to this is massive Hull HP increase for mining craft. Not Armor not shield HULL!

Remove the alpha advantage gankers have and people will mine again.
Skydell
Bad Girl Posse
#19 - 2012-04-14 06:16:53 UTC
Endeavour Starfleet wrote:
The solution to this is massive Hull HP increase for mining craft. Not Armor not shield HULL!

Remove the alpha advantage gankers have and people will mine again.


Or a powergrid role bonus for Shield extenders.
Mina Sebiestar
Minmatar Inner Space Conglomerate
#20 - 2012-04-14 08:12:36 UTC
On a barely related note i figure transporting ships is something i need orca for so i did click industry tab on my skills after year or two..realization of that give me awesome feeling for split second.

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