Warfare & Tactics

The truth of the matter is that you cannot FORCE someone to PvP.

I personally don't PvP. I absolutely detest PvP, and have avoided it in every game I've ever played. If my alliance gets a war dec, I simply stay in station and spend my time on EvE playing the market. If the war dec lasts too long, I will simply stop playing, logging on only to update skill queues.

I don't shoot ninjas who invade my mission space. Instead, I abandon all wrecks immediately. If there is a mission completion item, I will dock up and complete the mission later. Losing the time bonus doesn't bother me at all versus accidentally gaining agro from the invader. I don't want to fight you, and I will do everything in my power to make that abundantly clear.

I do not venture into lowsec space. I know that I am a huge target and that there are players all over that area of space looking to take me down at their first opportunity.


My question is:

Why does this bother some of you?

I enjoy the PvE aspect of the game, I really do. How does this affect the PvP players in any way? Are you trying to lower the subscriber base of EvE by driving out the people who don't see things the same way you do? I know that I am not alone in my playstyle, in fact most of my alliance members are mission runners or industrialists.

Can the blood hungry PvPers not see that blowing away industrialists is equivalent to shooting yourself in the foot? Who makes your ships that you so happily blow into space dust? Who mines the minerals? Who risks their freighter every time they jump into Jita?

Carebears do.

So, does it really make sense to push them out of the game in hopes that spaceships will start growing on trees?

Extra credit bonus question:

Are there not enough people actively looking for PvP that instead PvP players must turn to harassing PvE players?

Fun fact: We don't need you for the game to run smoothly. Most big alliances have their own industrial complex.

And yes, we can force you to pvp. You might not fight back, and that is your option.

Half the playerbase is only capable of thinking from their perspective and no one else. Don't let it bother you. Everyone bears in this game in one form or another.

Though I do frown on any corp pilot that will hide in station during a wardec and choose to not help their fellow corpmates. That makes you a selfish team mate in my eyes. With respect to running a hisec corp, I always say that the true character of a pilot comes out when a wardec occurs. Some will go off and selfishly do their own thing while others will proudly defend their home until the last Ibis goes down in a flame of glory.

Edit: with the price of ships rising making PVP more expensive, you would think some people would appreciate the bears and miners more but it's unlikely

Instead of commiserating, you should learn how to do it.

Everyone is a noob once in every area. You have to try to learn.

Explain to me why PVE people are so slow to uptake the fact that they can learn to pvp too?

I don't care if you want to PVP! This is EVE, and you signed up for a game which is one big giant open pvp arena.

To that question, it bothers me they want to change game mechanics to make themselves safer to avoid any unwanted pvp, thus ruining the game I love.

With respect, just being a carebear doesn't mean you can't be dangerous. It just means that "PVP" is not your forte. And the bears make this game alive in the same way that PVPers do. A world in which EVERYONE is hostile isn't realistic. People ignore one another. People avoid one another. It makes the world make sense.

Also: you do PVP. Every time you touch the market you are undercutting someone else, buying something someone else had their eye on, or building something that someone else was planning to. For most people, that doesnt seem like PVP because there are no fireworks at the end, but trust me: you just alpha'd someone's profit margin.

You still haven't answered my question. Why do you insist on PVPING people who aren't interested in, or cannot, fight back?

Yes, you can attempt to gank me. You have less than 30 seconds to take down my 100k+ EHP mission boat. Good luck.

And no, I've been around long enough that you will NEVER trick me into agressing you.

BTW - I looked up your alliance kb, and I nearly fell out of my chair laughing. I'm pretty sure more mission runners have died from NPC rats than you guys.

That's unfortunate. Honestly, your first answer was much better. "Changing game mechanics". This, "Because it's funny" is one of the worst reasons in any game whatsoever to take delight in ruining another person's game experience.

"For the thrill"
"For the kill mail"
"For the loot"
etc...
Those are good reasons.

Because you want to **** on someone isn't.