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Hulk Pilots - Your New Standard For Empire

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Whitehound
#101 - 2012-04-16 12:00:01 UTC
Eternum Praetorian wrote:
Whitehound, easy fella... lets drink some more apple juice, get you dressed and then we can go to the store. You know what the doctor said would happen if you get to excited.

What? You are the one who gets excited here. You think I would not know why you post?

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baltec1
Bat Country
Pandemic Horde
#102 - 2012-04-16 12:01:30 UTC
Jorma Morkkis wrote:


Catching a covert ops frigate isn't impossible. No matter what you say.


Never said it was impossible, just that you will find way more untanked miners and haulers.
Eternum Praetorian
Doomheim
#103 - 2012-04-16 12:09:12 UTC
Whitehound wrote:
Eternum Praetorian wrote:
Whitehound, easy fella... lets drink some more apple juice, get you dressed and then we can go to the store. You know what the doctor said would happen if you get to excited.

What? You are the one who gets excited here. You think I would not know why you post?



I don't know if you know, TBH. I just wanted to post builds that included a Hulk tank and tech II strip miners, along side decently tanked tech I industrial ships.

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Jorma Morkkis
State War Academy
Caldari State
#104 - 2012-04-16 12:16:15 UTC
baltec1 wrote:
Never said it was impossible, just that you will find way more untanked miners and haulers.


So it's all about easy kills. No point on having multiple PLEXes in cargohold anymore...
Whitehound
#105 - 2012-04-16 12:26:16 UTC
Eternum Praetorian wrote:
I don't know if you know, TBH. I just wanted to post builds that included a Hulk tank and tech II strip miners, along side decently tanked tech I industrial ships.

And I just want to say how pathetic it is.

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Eternum Praetorian
Doomheim
#106 - 2012-04-16 12:38:35 UTC  |  Edited by: Eternum Praetorian
Whitehound wrote:
Eternum Praetorian wrote:
I don't know if you know, TBH. I just wanted to post builds that included a Hulk tank and tech II strip miners, along side decently tanked tech I industrial ships.

And I just want to say how pathetic it is.



9 years of collective PVP knowledge regarding resists and buffer tanks, compiled by thousands of players for nearly a decade, is far from pathetic. Now, if you had bothered to ask I might have told you that I think the Hulk could use a small buff in CPU, or a little more PG, or perhaps another low slot.


But that does not change the fact that the builds posted in the OP are pretty decent tanks, and are far superior to a glass-fragile-next-to-zero-ehp Tech-2-expensive oreship. So as I have said before, you seem like the Senile old man of the EVE forums. What is funny, is that you are gleefully unaware of how dense and stupid you represent yourself.

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malcovas Henderson
THoF
#107 - 2012-04-16 12:46:30 UTC
Whitehound wrote:

And I just want to say how pathetic it is.



Actually no it's not.

You might not like where the Hulk is right now, but you have to choose the tools you have at this moment in time to survive or die. CCP might balance the Hulk one day. Until that time, the advice given is quite correct. Which is more tank = better survivabilty.

No point arguing the fact that the hulk needs a buff, in a thread about how to survive ganks with the tools at your disposal, even if it is not to your liking.


o7
Whitehound
#108 - 2012-04-16 13:02:39 UTC  |  Edited by: Whitehound
malcovas Henderson wrote:
You might not like where the Hulk is right now, but you have to choose the tools you have at this moment in time to survive or die. CCP might balance the Hulk one day. Until that time, the advice given is quite correct. Which is more tank = better survivabilty.

No point arguing the fact that the hulk needs a buff, in a thread about how to survive ganks with the tools at your disposal, even if it is not to your liking.


o7

Nonsense. One does not have to choose to sit in crappy mining ships.

Because you think you do do you get ganked and you deserve it. You cannot be helped. You are just as pathetic.

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malcovas Henderson
THoF
#109 - 2012-04-16 13:11:57 UTC
Whitehound wrote:
malcovas Henderson wrote:
You might not like where the Hulk is right now, but you have to choose the tools you have at this moment in time to survive or die. CCP might balance the Hulk one day. Until that time, the advice given is quite correct. Which is more tank = better survivabilty.

No point arguing the fact that the hulk needs a buff, in a thread about how to survive ganks with the tools at your disposal, even if it is not to your liking.


o7

Nonsense. One does not have to choose to sit in crappy mining ships.

Because you think you do do you get ganked and you deserve it. You cannot be helped. You are just as pathetic.



Seriously dude. Nobody is actually telling you what to do. Just giving advice, and sound advice at that. We all know you think Hulks need a buff, But until the day that buff happens, you have to use the tools at your disposal. Can't you see that?

It is a solution against gankers for now.

Also I'd like to remind you, that I have always tried to post as politely as I can. So keep a civil tongue in your head when replying to me. I am not asking you.
malcovas Henderson
THoF
#110 - 2012-04-16 13:35:41 UTC
Whitehound wrote:
malcovas Henderson wrote:
Seriously dude. Nobody is actually telling you what to do ...

No, you do tell people what to do when you say they have to choose. You just do get it and now you whine how uncivil I am. You are pathetic.



As long as I have been a Hulk pilot, I have always had that choice. Yield / survivabilty. In the current ganking climate, you still have that choice.

This is the important bit

Until CCP decides to buff the hulk. Tanking your hulk is sound advice in the current ganking climate.

Now I'll tell you. With my setup I mine 10,050 m3 every 2 minutes. Thats Tanking. I have always tanked my hulk. Now if I was to go for maximum yield i would get 10,750,

Using veldspar as a source. Thats a WHOPPING 4 mill an hour I lose. Thats over 75 hours hours of mining for a hulk. In other words you got 75 hours of mining before, going for yield, you can afford to lose the hulk.

I know which method I prefer, and feel more safer with.


You call us pathetic. When you are the one whining about buffs in a fitting advice thread. Ironic at it's finest
Whitehound
#111 - 2012-04-16 13:45:23 UTC  |  Edited by: Whitehound
malcovas Henderson wrote:
You call us pathetic. When you are the one whining about buffs in a fitting advice thread. Ironic at it's finest

No, I am only calling you and the mining ships pathetic.

Loss is meaningful. Therefore is the loss of meaning likewise meaningful. It is the source of all trolling.
malcovas Henderson
THoF
#112 - 2012-04-16 13:52:00 UTC
Whitehound wrote:
malcovas Henderson wrote:
You call us pathetic. When you are the one whining about buffs in a fitting advice thread. Ironic at it's finest

YES, I am only calling myself and the mining ships pathetic.


fix'd

The gankers must have touched you long and hard, for your tears to be able blind you to common sense.



Jorma Morkkis
State War Academy
Caldari State
#113 - 2012-04-16 13:55:58 UTC
malcovas Henderson wrote:
It is a solution against gankers for now.


It's not a solution. Every ship in this game can and will be ganked.

Rifters can destroy a titan. You just have to bring enough Rifters to do it.
malcovas Henderson
THoF
#114 - 2012-04-16 14:09:48 UTC
Jorma Morkkis wrote:
malcovas Henderson wrote:
It is a solution against gankers for now.


It's not a solution. Every ship in this game can and will be ganked.

Rifters can destroy a titan. You just have to bring enough Rifters to do it.



We already know this. There is a huge difference though between needing 1 destroyer and 4-8 destroyers to gank a Hulk. At the moment, you have a ship, that can be ganked by 1 destroyer. UNTIL that changes, You have the tools available to increase that to upto and beyond 8 destroyers(maybe), Which IMO is acceptable

This is why tanking your Hulk is sound advice. I don't care that the Hulk needs a buff. That arguement is in another thread.

You still have the choice to go for Maximum yield. In doing so you increase the chances of being successfully ganked. This thread is all about the here and now, NOT what ifs, and buts about when, or if a buff is given.



o7
Jorma Morkkis
State War Academy
Caldari State
#115 - 2012-04-16 14:22:36 UTC  |  Edited by: Jorma Morkkis
malcovas Henderson wrote:
At the moment, you have a ship, that can be ganked by 1 destroyer.


Sorry, but that's not my ship. You would need at least two Catalysts in 0.5. I don't mine in 0.5 very often.
Whitehound
#116 - 2012-04-16 14:40:13 UTC
malcovas Henderson wrote:
This is why tanking your Hulk is sound advice.

No, it is not. It gives people hope where there is none. If you do not dock up or mine in 0.8-1.0 systems then your Hulk will get eaten. 30k-35k eHP is nothing. Some will even take your fit and use faction gear for it, thinking it will make it better. The use of the word super and to think it describes a tank only makes me laugh each time I think about how ridiculously successful Hulkageddon is. But, please, stay where you are. Some think they are too good for running away.

It even happens during war when bombs are dropping. Some then just look into the sky and are all upset about it when they should have just ran as fast as they could.

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Griznatch
Distinguished Gentleman's Boating Club
Domain Research and Mining Inst.
#117 - 2012-04-16 14:41:42 UTC
Chribba mines in dread that has never been ganked. Coincidence? I think not.

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Tanya Powers
Doomheim
#118 - 2012-04-16 14:56:51 UTC
Terrorfrodo wrote:
Tanya Powers wrote:
I'm sure you already enjoy paying your drake 45M when it was only 32M 3 months ago.

If prices go up, miners can tank their hulk properly and still earn a lot more ISK/hour than before with a paper hulk, so what's the problem?

There are only so many players willing and able to form dedicated ganking teams. Anyone can train two chars and gank solo whenever he feels like it. Even if you only need one more guy (=a second player) to kill a hulk, the number of gangs around at any one time that can do this will shrink drastically. Also, gangs are always easier to spot and avoid than single attackers.


A full T2 miners Rokh gets a better yeld than your stupid T2 mining barge fitted like a pvp ship that just became another useless item and skill in the game because some players decided so, add it to the list.

Then you come with isk per hour argument just after tank argument and now everything is just down the toilets just because isk per hour and mining activity/ships are a total joke.

Final word is, buy plex (oups to aurum) and win.
malcovas Henderson
THoF
#119 - 2012-04-16 15:12:28 UTC
Whitehound wrote:
[quote=malcovas Henderson]This is why tanking your Hulk is sound advice.[/quote No, it is not. It gives people hope where there is none. If you do not dock up or mine in 0.8-1.0 systems then your Hulk will get eaten. 30k-35k eHP is nothing. Some will even take your fit and use faction gear for it, thinking it will make it better. The use of the word super and to think it describes a tank only makes me laugh each time I think about how ridiculously successful Hulkageddon is. But, please, stay where you are. Some think they are too good for running away It even happens during war when bombs are dropping. Some then just look into the sky and are all upset about it when they should have just ran as fast as they could.



Being ganked by several ships is totally acceptable. be they Frigates or Destroyers. Hell if you bring enough even Badgers. To tank the Hulk, will mean the ganker needing more ships to make the gank successful. If he brings 4 and you can survive 6. He will lose his ships in the gank, without gaining anything. Hell you can even loot his ships for your gain.

I can max yield with 16k tank. thats not a lot, but it stops the solo ganker,(maybe). It is your choice, and only your choice, how you fit your hulk. Yes it does give hope. I hope by tanking my hulk, It survives a gank. A more serious gank would certainly put my Hulk in jeopardy, But the more I tank the more serious the gank has to be. You could have 1 million EHP, but if enough ships where in the gank, you still lose the ship. I use T2 with Orca buff's. I still use 1 MLU II. That is my decision. My choice. It also will stop( I hope) the random lolz gank, by a solo, or double ganker.

There is nothing stopping you from running away too. There are ways for Insta warping out, but then your max yield just took a nose dive.
Tanya Powers
Doomheim
#120 - 2012-04-16 15:29:57 UTC
malcovas Henderson wrote:
Whitehound wrote:
[quote=malcovas Henderson]This is why tanking your Hulk is sound advice.[/quote No, it is not. It gives people hope where there is none. If you do not dock up or mine in 0.8-1.0 systems then your Hulk will get eaten. 30k-35k eHP is nothing. Some will even take your fit and use faction gear for it, thinking it will make it better. The use of the word super and to think it describes a tank only makes me laugh each time I think about how ridiculously successful Hulkageddon is. But, please, stay where you are. Some think they are too good for running away It even happens during war when bombs are dropping. Some then just look into the sky and are all upset about it when they should have just ran as fast as they could.



Being ganked by several ships is totally acceptable. be they Frigates or Destroyers. Hell if you bring enough even Badgers. To tank the Hulk, will mean the ganker needing more ships to make the gank successful. If he brings 4 and you can survive 6. He will lose his ships in the gank, without gaining anything. Hell you can even loot his ships for your gain.

I can max yield with 16k tank. thats not a lot, but it stops the solo ganker,(maybe). It is your choice, and only your choice, how you fit your hulk. Yes it does give hope. I hope by tanking my hulk, It survives a gank. A more serious gank would certainly put my Hulk in jeopardy, But the more I tank the more serious the gank has to be. You could have 1 million EHP, but if enough ships where in the gank, you still lose the ship. I use T2 with Orca buff's. I still use 1 MLU II. That is my decision. My choice. It also will stop( I hope) the random lolz gank, by a solo, or double ganker.

There is nothing stopping you from running away too. There are ways for Insta warping out, but then your max yield just took a nose dive.



What you fail to understand is that gank hulks and mining barges is not compatible with isk/h argument or gank for profit because transport industrials will give you the best isk/h rate.
Gank mining barges is just grieffing players because you can, now for tank argument let me advise you to fit a full T2 miners Rokh and you'll get a better yeld than the stupid hulk fit supposed to tank.

Nice stuff.