Ships & Modules

Hulks have always had a weak tank, and for good reason, it isn't a ship meant to tank.

Anyway, as I said, they've always been this way, so what's with all the tears about it now?

Again it needs to be said that the issue with these ships is not tank (As in the ability to resist damage over time) but susceptibility to alpha (High alpha quickly overwhelms defence before CONCORD or blues can respond)

A nullsec hulk that can tank NPCs should cost nearly a billion. That is normal. What isn't normal is these craft falling to such cheap gank craft in hisec.

They dont need more sustained tank. They need alpha prevention via a massive boost to structure HP. That way it becomes stupid not to fly with a DCU and with said DCU it costs more per gank which will equalize things out.

Another Hulk Reply.

Hulks have a weak tank and the description and bonuses say it should have otherwise.

Fitting restraints make it difficult to both tank and use mods that give your ship sufficient yield and utility unlike most combat ships that can pull utility, damage and tank.

Ships that can target Hulks have been added or buffed considerably while Hulk Balance has not been addressed.

More Grid to give them current levels of tanking with more utility might push miners to fit tanks as well as provide much needed challenge, difficulty and risk to suicide ganking.

Buffing EHP Potential instead of EHP is a very EVE solution that benefits only those who use it.

When I first joined EVE I had the preconception that mining fleets would need combat vessels to patrol and keep them safe. I realized this really isn't the case since most mining hulls can be killed before any effective response to assist the miner can be made. I think there should be some sort of medium between unsupported mining vessels dieing (and rightfully so) versus mining vessels having the tank to survive long enough to receive some sort of assistance (such as reps or having corpmates dispatch the aggressor(s)).

Went into thread expecting whining, was surprised.

They're probably complaining because there is more ganking now than say, four years ago. Either way, tell them to shove it, because it's a mining ship, not a combat ship. If the little miners are afraid of losing their Hulk then they need to learn how to check local, use their watch list for known gankers, use d scan, pay attention, align and be ready. Rather than just sitting there, AFK, sat still, doing nothing like most incompetent miners do. Oh. And maybe tell them to downgrade to a Covetor if they can't afford to lose a Hulk
Don't fly what you can't afford to lose; same goes for the little miners.

In recent days the system I have been mining in has been visited by said pirates and have ofcourse blown up one of our hulks. We didn't cry. Instead we decided to fit our ships based on a corp standard design and park a domi with 6 Reps that run indefinatly with each hulk cross repping with 5 medium shield drones. We also have alts duke it out in the belts to bring concord onto the grid. I know this my sound extreme but you have to EvEvolve with the times.

Combined with drone, and loot nerfs ore and mineral price are rising increasingly every day. So in turn more miners return to the belts, which in turn brings more pirates.

I don't know what ccp intends to do to balance the issue that one 5mill isk ship "fitted and inssured" can effectivly take out a 400million isk ship, or that our barges can be alpha striked. But the tools and resources are in our hands to try and curb or prevent us from becoming victims.

Small simple steps can make a big difference in warding off gank attempts from smaller ships. As for the issue of being alpha striked I do agree that there needs to be some tweaking involved. Perhaps giving barges a smaller sig radius to give them more time to warp away, or like previously mentioned more hull so that DCU's will be more effective

In the mean time lets focus on how you make it harder for them to kill you while trying to find a better solution than the ones I mentioned above.

Lets face it guys we are prey. So are you ganna EvEvolve and try and stay ahead of your predators or are you going to keep dying and crying?

Its our move guys.

What changed? Long story short: Everything getting buffed and new great gang ships appear while mining ships still being the same. May not hurt much back there, does hurt a lot now.

5th law of trolling; When the original thread goes off the deep end, but not locked, a new thread is made and the cycle repeats itself.

You check those fits. It needs a buff. The fits require you to use all slots including rigs and some need implants. If you cannot see how messed up this is then one cannot help you. No one is talking about ganks either. People use them as examples, but you should know that no ship is save from a gank. I thought you guys from Veto had a clue.

Seconded. It's called a shield booster with the correct damage type modules, and 5 medium scout drones. You don't need A type or X-type modules to pull this off. Rigs make it even easier. They are always cap stable too so you can just keep mining.

If you're talking about PvP, then i have no idea.