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On the frontier - An interesting psychological experiment about 'the self'

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Terrorfrodo
Interbus Universal
#21 - 2012-04-13 10:23:27 UTC
I couldn't complete the survey. Answering the questions about myself was easy, but the questions about my in-game character are the same. Would my character enjoy going to an Art gallery? Does he plan ahead and organize things? Does he feel satisfied with himself? What the **** has this to do with EVE? There are no Art galleries in EVE and EVE characters cannot feel anything.

Sorry, but this survey can only be completed by roleplayers, who are a tiny fraction of the EVE playerbase.

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Fraa Bjorn
Cell 317
#22 - 2012-04-13 10:39:25 UTC
Completed. I assume, being a university project, that you'll share the report with us all?

All games have QQ, but only Eve has Q.Q
Fraa Bjorn
Cell 317
#23 - 2012-04-13 10:46:07 UTC
Terrorfrodo wrote:
I couldn't complete the survey. Answering the questions about myself was easy, but the questions about my in-game character are the same. Would my character enjoy going to an Art gallery? Does he plan ahead and organize things? Does he feel satisfied with himself? What the **** has this to do with EVE? There are no Art galleries in EVE and EVE characters cannot feel anything.

Sorry, but this survey can only be completed by roleplayers, who are a tiny fraction of the EVE playerbase.


Well, just look at The Mittani's recent mishap and QQ, by his own account Alex and Mittani are not the same personas, and I wouldn't call him a roleplayer...
I think the survey is interesting even for those of us that are "the same". Fraa would take every opportunity to steal unseen; myself would not.

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Chribba
Otherworld Enterprises
Otherworld Empire
#24 - 2012-04-13 10:48:42 UTC
I think I saw this type of thing in local many times before Smile but never with CCP confirmation haha, altho they asked for ISK and such... Will try plow through all questions when I get time.

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Terrorfrodo
Interbus Universal
#25 - 2012-04-13 10:51:04 UTC
But the questions are far too specific. I have some vague ideas about what I picture my character to be like, but it does not get down to the level of Art galleries or what his friends say about him. To even get an idea of how my imaginary character would be regarded by his imaginary EVE friends, I'd first need to create a detailed persona for him in my mind... which is role-playing.

I know that my character would certainly steal a million dollars, but I have no idea whether his friends would think of him as stubborn.

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DeBingJos
Sebiestor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#26 - 2012-04-13 10:55:50 UTC
Completed. Please share the results.

Ungi maðurinn þekkir reglurnar, en gamli maðurinn þekkir undantekningarnar. The young man knows the rules, but the old man knows the exceptions.

Meissa Anunthiel
Redshift Industrial
Rooks and Kings
#27 - 2012-04-13 11:08:31 UTC
Always happy to help. Will you post the results/conclusions when you're done?

Member of CSM 2, 3, 4, 5, 6 and 7
CCP Guard
C C P
C C P Alliance
#28 - 2012-04-13 11:17:58 UTC
Spoiler:

Science will determine that EVE players are cool bros.

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Asuri Kinnes
Perkone
Caldari State
#29 - 2012-04-13 11:27:12 UTC
CCP Guard wrote:
Spoiler:

Science will determine that EVE players are cool bros.

trying too hard, m8.....

:P

Would love to see the results.

My in game character would do a lot of things my oog self would not, and I would do things she would not. Interesting mental puzzle.

Bob is the god of Wormholes.

That's all you need to know.
Ciar Meara
PIE Inc.
Khimi Harar
#30 - 2012-04-13 11:32:26 UTC
Ai Shun wrote:

Aggressive Nutmeg wrote:
It's about time the psychologists turned up here.


Wait what? I bump into them analysing everyone in just about every second thread. They're right up there with the vast profusion of lawyers, law enforcement officers, statisticians and software developers that inhabit these forums from their armchairs.


Your forgot the armchair generals.

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DeBingJos
Sebiestor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#31 - 2012-04-13 11:36:36 UTC
Ciar Meara wrote:
Ai Shun wrote:

Aggressive Nutmeg wrote:
It's about time the psychologists turned up here.


Wait what? I bump into them analysing everyone in just about every second thread. They're right up there with the vast profusion of lawyers, law enforcement officers, statisticians and software developers that inhabit these forums from their armchairs.


Your forgot the armchair generals.


Armchair general reporting in.

Ungi maðurinn þekkir reglurnar, en gamli maðurinn þekkir undantekningarnar. The young man knows the rules, but the old man knows the exceptions.

Corvus Amicus
Center for Advanced Studies
Gallente Federation
#32 - 2012-04-13 11:49:41 UTC
Thanks to everyone who has participated so far!

I'll be trying to answer most of your questions as well as I can.

#1 - We will be publishing the results! (if not the thesis in it's entirety, then at least a 1-2 page summary for you guys!)

#2 - I have not been in contact with anyone else from my uni doing similar research but I'll be sure to try to contact her/them now I know they're out there.

#3 - Concerning the role-playing and thoughts about the character "just being you": The point we are trying to get across in not necessarily to 'role-play' the scenario but to assess how you AS your character would handle it. Even a player devoid of role-playing can handle situations differently online if he/she so chooses because of factors like anonymity, reputation, etc. If you feel you are exactly the same, that's totally legit and you should answer accordingly. If you are unsure as how to answer, just go with your gut!

#4 - Concerning the questions being to specific: This list is standardized which gives the survey reliability that would not be found if we just asked questions that we 'felt were relevant'.

#5 - Meds have already been distributed and are, in fact, the reason you do not see the inkblots. Enjoy.

-Corvus, one half of the research team.
Thorn Galen
Bene Gesserit ChapterHouse
The Curatores Veritatis Auxiliary
#33 - 2012-04-13 13:13:22 UTC
Done and dusted, looking forward to seeing the results. o/

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Liang Nuren
No Salvation
Divine Damnation
#34 - 2012-04-13 16:21:39 UTC
Gilbaron wrote:
i just made it through to part 2, questions about my ingame character

i neither roleplay something different than myself nor identify myself with the ingame character at all, i much more enjoy socialising with the guys (no girls in eve :( ) behind the character

so i answered all questions with 3, he/she wouldnt do anything at all, its simply me (with much less hair)


Yeah, pretty much. I'm not sure what to do with that section because there's really no "character Liang". It's like asking what my monopoly shoe would do if there was an art museum in the game. I guess it'd buy it and roll for the next square... charge rent to anyone that came through later.

-Liang

I'm an idiot, don't mind me.
Urgg Boolean
Center for Advanced Studies
Gallente Federation
#35 - 2012-04-13 16:30:31 UTC  |  Edited by: Urgg Boolean
IRL I am a psych nurse. This level of demograpahics in the questionaire seem more sociological than psychological. Certainly, they are not going to be able to determine who will go postal IRL based upon game behavior from these questions.

IMHO, they should have asked questions about our living situations, both in-game and IRL. I have noticed some severe pyschological disturbances among the 0.0 roaming gang population. It's the kind of thing that makes me think the humans behind the toons are seriously dysfunctional closet sociopaths. Conversely, I have never seen this level of inferred dysfuntion in Hi Sec or even lo sec. Good honest PvP in lo sec, with all participants usually saying "gf" once there is a victor. It's good fun.

Personally, I think researching any inferred sociopathic dysfunction would have been a much more interesting study, than this touchy-feely "I cry when I see others crying" or "I'm afraid of my shadow" type questions.

Also, they have a lot questions that compare risk taking IRL versus in-game. I think what they are really looking for is how much separation we have between real life consequences for risk and the fake consequences in-game. That seems like a valid line of inquiry.

Overall and interesting study.
Alrione
Black Lagoon Inc.
#36 - 2012-04-13 16:37:55 UTC
Done, there aren't a lot of difference between the answers though. Ugh
Liang Nuren
No Salvation
Divine Damnation
#37 - 2012-04-13 16:42:23 UTC
The questions relating to your "in game" persona assume that the person has constructed a second "persona" to play online. This is about as valid as asserting someone constructs a second persona when they play Monopoly with their kids or Counter Strike at the LAN party. Whee, I'm afraid of "physical danger" online and my counter terrorist is going to put up his M4 to admire the beautiful paintings on the wall in the CS match... Roll

Furthermore, lots of the questions are extremely ambiguous in terms of the game but quite clear cut in real life. These questions should be modified to make sense in the game world. There are no art museums in Eve and AFAIK there's no equivalent. Another example is counterfeit money: I'd never use it IRL and there's no such thing in Eve. If it's simply referring to ill-gotten gains.. well hell yes I'd use it - just like I would charge rent if someone landed on my Boardwalk in Monopoly. Or were you referring to botting? Because that's a totally different thing - and we're suddenly back into the realm of "morally wrong" and "against the law".

And then there's the "physical danger" questions... online... What?

Basically: your questions do not make sense, and should be modified to have meaning in the game world. I would be happy to take the survey again if you do that.

-Liang

I'm an idiot, don't mind me.
Urgg Boolean
Center for Advanced Studies
Gallente Federation
#38 - 2012-04-13 17:58:23 UTC
Liang Nuren wrote:
...snip...There are no art museums in Eve and AFAIK there's no equivalent. Another example is counterfeit money: I'd never use it IRL and there's no such thing in Eve. If it's simply referring to ill-gotten gains.. well hell yes I'd use it ...snip- Liang

I interpreted this stuff very similarly.

An art museum = spending in-game time just looking at the pretty graphics.

10 billion illegal ISK without the ban hammer? Hell yeah !!! But in real life, you'd be screwing somebody over, Bernie Madoff style.

I think they could easily fake themselves out with the personality/role play questions. As part of an assignment for a creative writing class, I took personality traits from 4 different real life people and blended them into a character for a novel. So it is certainly possible that kind of thing was done and there is no real correlation between the player's personality and in-game behavior. And statistical certainty for this kind of thing is notoriously shaky, unlike cardiac arrest, which has robust correlation leading to realistic assumptions of causation.

It feels like a student study. If it was me, I would have done a qualitative study to determine focus/goals. Then build a questionaire as part of a resulting quantitative study. But, I'll bet they got a college funded grant to play EvE for free during the duration of the study !!! Rock on !!!
Zleon Leigh
#39 - 2012-04-13 18:39:59 UTC  |  Edited by: Zleon Leigh
At least the survey runs a helluva lot faster than CCP's marketing surveys.... Lol

And the questions about Art Museums had nothing to do with same. sheesh. Meta people! Meta!

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Himnos Altar
An Errant Venture
#40 - 2012-04-14 05:14:01 UTC
Ai Shun wrote:
Done. Given the way you've split it up I think it's going to make for some interesting analysis at the end. (Providing you trust this community to remain reasonably honest which ... you know Lol)

Will you mind publishing results or a brief overview when everything is completed for those of us curious about this?

Aggressive Nutmeg wrote:
It's about time the psychologists turned up here.


Wait what? I bump into them analysing everyone in just about every second thread. They're right up there with the vast profusion of lawyers, law enforcement officers, statisticians and software developers that inhabit these forums from their armchairs.


not to mention the politicians. I'm a prezeedent.