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Factional Imbalance: Mission running, LP rewards and Insignias
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Cearain
Plus 10 NV
#21 - 2012-04-17 13:43:10 UTC  |  Edited by: Cearain
Cearain wrote:
Kusum Fawn wrote:
Cearain wrote:
Kusum Fawn wrote:

It is indeed about the guns being bad due to the price point they set for them. You can't look at one without the other. If they made the guns extremely powerful much more powerful than t2 guns then they would sell.

I look forward to your "why have tracking computers/invuls/enams/everything else that uses the same tags gone up in price? they must be underpowered now" whine thread
I continue to respond simply because i have the fear that you are not in fact trolling.


I don't know what you are talking about. The faction guns suck they always have. You have to compare the value of an item *and* the cost. If faction guns were as valuable as carriers then they would sell even with the current tag prices as they are.

If you think I am trolling then it is because basic economic concepts are beyond your reach.


I thought this was great. Pray tell what exactly are the costs? and what would have to happen to these guns have to be to be "as valuable as a carrier"


The costs of the lp items are generally 1)isk 2) tags-which can be bought with isk 3) lp 4) sometimes some other item(s) that can be bought with isk. You keep saying eliminate the tags! The tags are the problem but you might as well point out that the isk or the other items are just as much the problem.

What could make guns as valuable as a carrier? Use your imagination. If short of that you could give them the sam properties as a titan doomsday. If you did that you would see those guns selling despite the tag requirements.

Kusum Fawn wrote:

cause if that were true, and the tags stayed as they were, you would be getting something like 5k isk per lp out of the caldari lp store (on CN invuls) (286.5 mil isk in tags + 72 mil isk + 180,000 LP) a chimera is worth 1,250 mil ~Forge
Or at a gallente LP store off a 75mm rail gun, a rather astonishing 46,111.111 isk per lp. (470 mil in tags, + 7.2 mil isk, + 18,000 lp) a thanatos is worth 1,300 mil isk ~sinq lasion

I still rather think tag distribution is broken, Lp hast changed how broken tags are.


Now you are just denying facts. LP has in fact changed. We now have
1)super lp handed out to incursion runners that they can use to cherry pick the best lp store items. And
2)We also had a change to agents and the relevant skills that resulted in people getting to the highest rated agents in the different corps faster and getting more lp when they do.

The traditional lp stores are worse than they used to be. I agree they could have been better before but many changes over time have been indirectly making it worse. Its really a shame because the complex balance involved with the lp store was something that was pretty decent about eve. But throwing out the tags will just dumb the game down.

Make faction war occupancy pvp instead of pve https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&m=53815&#post53815
Quade Warren
Aliastra
Gallente Federation
#22 - 2012-04-17 19:28:35 UTC
mxzf wrote:
The best LP store/tags solution I've seen

tl;dr: Let people chose anti-navy missions or anti-pirate missions when they request a mission.


That link needs to be read. It makes sense. When I go to a recruiter, I'm going to be given options. I see no reason I wouldn't be given these kinds of options in Eve.
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