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oh dear ccp only half a job again

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CNL Jack Oniel
uber nomad
#1 - 2012-04-12 01:53:37 UTC  |  Edited by: CNL Jack Oniel
please tell me how you can say that you are bringing drone rates in line with other bounties when they do not drop any loot . If u change something CCP then u should change it correctly . Having bounties may be a nice change but with no loot then the drone rats are rubbish . not only that but no faction and officers . I think this needs to fixed ASAP before the drone lands become like an old wild west town . dead or dying . I do not rant much on here but this is way wrong ccp and as far as i can see it half a job . some meta 4 items can be worth a few million isk alone .. I can see why legion of xdeath wanted out of the drone lands . please clarify if this is going to change or that is the way drone rats will be from now on .
masternerdguy
Doomheim
#2 - 2012-04-12 01:55:22 UTC
Has CCP ever executed a flawless expansion deployment?

Things are only impossible until they are not.
Ai Shun
#3 - 2012-04-12 01:58:46 UTC
masternerdguy wrote:
Has CCP ever executed a flawless expansion deployment?


That was Incarna, right?
CNL Jack Oniel
uber nomad
#4 - 2012-04-12 02:00:42 UTC
all i know after playing on the test server today drone lands is going to be really bad space .
Varesk
Aliastra
Gallente Federation
#5 - 2012-04-12 02:07:02 UTC  |  Edited by: Varesk
CNL Jack Oniel wrote:
all i know after playing on the test server today drone lands is going to be really bad space .



Bolded the part of your post which you should take into consideration. Test server build isnt the final build of the patch.
Kalestra Cable
EVE University
Ivy League
#6 - 2012-04-12 02:07:36 UTC  |  Edited by: Kalestra Cable
So far what I've seen in the belts

Drone Queen 1.85 Mil
Patriach 1.55Mil
Drone Creator 1.4Mil
Drone Ruler 1.25Mil
Drone Controller 500k
Domination Drone 950k
Spearhead Drone 800k
Swarm Preserver 650k
Exterminator Drone 225k
Viral Infector 80k
Disintegrator 95k
Defeator 185k
Atomizer 110k
Violator 87.5k
Strain Splinter 25.5k
Crippler 195k
Striker Drone 205k
Nuker 117.5k
Siege Drone 215k
Dismantler 22.5k
Marauder 21k
Barracuda 13k
Devilfish 12k
Lili Lu
#7 - 2012-04-12 02:10:29 UTC
Agreed. There should be drone officers. Or at least rogue drone faction mods and ships.

But then maybe they wabt drone regions to continue to be for drones (get it?).Sad
Montevius Williams
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#8 - 2012-04-12 02:13:16 UTC
CNL Jack Oniel wrote:
all i know after playing on the test server today drone lands is going to be really bad space .



Then maybe you shoulld place this info on the test server and ask for feedback there? Cause it looks like you did not.

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CNL Jack Oniel
uber nomad
#9 - 2012-04-12 10:31:46 UTC
noted and put on test server feedback . this is going to be a major nerf to the drone lands just wish they would let peeps know what is happening .
Solstice Project
Sebiestor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#10 - 2012-04-12 11:08:57 UTC
Look at this greedy man with no purpose in his heart, only caring about isk ...
Nirnias Stirrum
UberWTFBBQ and Battle Technologies
#11 - 2012-04-12 11:11:31 UTC
After you kill the drones go salvage them, theres your loot right there!
CCP Goliath
C C P
C C P Alliance
#12 - 2012-04-12 11:14:18 UTC
There is a place for this feedback and it is in the Test Server Feedback forum. Please express your ideas to the teams there, and they stand a much higher chance of being read and acted upon.

https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=topics&f=271

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Bluddwolf
Heimatar Military Industries
#13 - 2012-04-12 11:14:24 UTC  |  Edited by: Bluddwolf
Eventhough the drones did not have bounties, the loot drops (ores) refined very well, and the salvage was half-way decent as well.

I have the same problem with T1 modules being removed from drops. I have the very expensive Scrapmetal Processing skill specifally for making those more profittible to refine then to sell on the market.

My only hope is that the changes equal out, but I don't expect them to. Mission running for materials (loot) for refining may have taken a step backwards.

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Bubanni
Game of Drones
The Initiative.
#14 - 2012-04-12 11:18:56 UTC
Bluddwolf wrote:
Eventhough the drones did not have bounties, the loot drops (ores) refined very well, and the salvage was half-way decent as well.

I have the same problem with T1 modules being removed from drops. I have the very expensive Scrapmetal Processing skill specifally for making those more profittible to refine then to sell on the market.

My only hope is that the changes equal out, but I don't expect them to. Mission running for materials (loot) for refining may have taken a step backwards.


M8 m8 m8, you can use that skill on the scrap they will drop instead.

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Kalestra Cable
EVE University
Ivy League
#15 - 2012-04-12 11:37:22 UTC
Bubanni wrote:


use that skill on the scrap they will drop instead.



They dont' drop anything
Jonah Gravenstein
Machiavellian Space Bastards
#16 - 2012-04-12 12:09:45 UTC
Kalestra Cable wrote:
Bubanni wrote:


use that skill on the scrap they will drop instead.



They dont' drop anything


Drones may not, but standard NPC's will be dropping metal scraps, instead of BPO'd T1 stuff, which the scrapmetal processing skill can still be used on.

Meanwhile, I'm building up a nice stock of T1 loot and drone poo Smile

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Vertisce Soritenshi
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#17 - 2012-04-12 12:46:04 UTC  |  Edited by: Vertisce Soritenshi
Clearly the OP is an accomplished game developer with several successful and flawlessly executed games and expansions under his belt. We should all listen to his years of dev wisdom lest EvE be doomed to fail!

Seriously...is nobody on these forums able to make a criticism or feedback post without coming off like a complete know-it-all *******?

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Deathwing Reborn
#18 - 2012-04-12 13:13:04 UTC
CCP Goliath wrote:
There is a place for this feedback and it is in the Test Server Feedback forum. Please express your ideas to the teams there, and they stand a much higher chance of being read and acted upon.

https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=topics&f=271



Actually Goliath the place for this is in the Dev blog about this change and NO ONE IS LISTENING. Even when people post in the correct places you all just ignore the hard questions anyway which is why we ask in here to get more exposure. You all just want to sweep this under the rug to forums that less people check so that the questions do not spread to more of the player base. I still know people that I hear in TS or local in Drone Regions say this is a great change until I explain things like NO LOOT to them. Then they are like WTF I didnt see that.
CCP Goliath
C C P
C C P Alliance
#19 - 2012-04-12 13:24:37 UTC
Deathwing Reborn wrote:
CCP Goliath wrote:
There is a place for this feedback and it is in the Test Server Feedback forum. Please express your ideas to the teams there, and they stand a much higher chance of being read and acted upon.

https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=topics&f=271



Actually Goliath the place for this is in the Dev blog about this change and NO ONE IS LISTENING. Even when people post in the correct places you all just ignore the hard questions anyway which is why we ask in here to get more exposure. You all just want to sweep this under the rug to forums that less people check so that the questions do not spread to more of the player base. I still know people that I hear in TS or local in Drone Regions say this is a great change until I explain things like NO LOOT to them. Then they are like WTF I didnt see that.


That's an incorrect statement and you have nothing to base it on except possibly a lack of posting. Some devs don't post a lot. Some just read, some reply, some listen to others who read/reply. I can tell you one thing - posting on the Test Server Feedback forum will get you more chance of the team reading, or myself talking to teams about the general feedback on their features than a caps post in GD will. Devblog is fine for feedback too, but now we're on Sisi Test Server Feedback is better.

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Urgg Boolean
Center for Advanced Studies
Gallente Federation
#20 - 2012-04-12 13:35:53 UTC
I can understand the changes as part of the effort to eliminate botting from the drone regions. This line of logic I can agree with. I do not understand the logic of this in terms of mineral prices and availability.

Currently, with drone droppings in play, I have absolutely no problem selling 800M worth of high sec minerals per week in Rens, acquired via my mini mining fleet of an Orca and two hulks. No problem at all as there are always huge buy orders at or above market rates (currently). If drone droppings are affecting ore sales, I'm not seeing in Rens..

Alternatively, I scan down grav sites and my mini-mining fleet harvests a respectable qty of high end minerals, granted no morphite and certainly not in the qty's available from drone farming, but a goodly amount nonetheless. Again, if drone droppings are affecting mineral sales, I'm not seeing it in Rens as I cannot complain about profits

It just seems to me that saying the nixing of drone droppings will balance/adjust the price of ore is nonsense. I do not see it in my business dealings as mineral prices are (currently) high and buy orders are plentiful. The likely results of drone changes will be even higher mineral prices driven by even more desperate buy orders...

My approach to mining has always been to simply avoid it during Hulkageddon, and (most importantly) to study/do homework while mining. This is easily accomplished in my Orca as my sole participation is to simple have my foreman mods active and to tractor in a few cans every 10 mins or so. I am studying the Spanish language on my tablet during our mining ops. Some of you may want to see obscene profits from mining, but I feel I am making plenty of ISK based upon the effort I just described. I just don't see how this equation needs balancing.
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