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Micheal Dietrich
Kings Gambit Black
#41 - 2012-04-11 17:18:23 UTC
Darth Gustav wrote:
Benny Ohu wrote:
Petrus Blackshell wrote:
It's the same complaint that occurs about domain name squatting. What if you wanted to start a website for your deluxe peanut shop family business called Peanut House, but found that peanuthouse.com is taken by someone who is not even using it?

That person had the idea to get the domain name first, and paid money to do so, just as the guy in that one-man corp you're hating on did. In fact, the guy in the one-man corp likely paid more for his corp name legacy than the domain name squatter paid for the same amount of time holding peanuthouse.com. Why can anyone feel entitled to a corp name enough to boot someone else who paid for the same corp name?


That's true, and if making people buy corps from you for the name was a thing, I'd like it. If there was a game around it, if there was a reason in EVE to sit on a corp name... but there isn't :(

I mean, I hear you're allowed to continually bump a freighter if you have an actual reason for doing so. (Don't take my word on that, it's normally considered grief play)

I don't think corp names that belonged to actual corps that had members should be claimable, though. Those are a part of EVE history.

All corps have at least one member. Fun fact, they're all also part of Eve history, for the same reason.

And you can sell corpnames. Where does it say that you cannot?

Flaming Head wrote:
No, I want to datamine all the dead corps in Eve for other people wanting to start a corp. I already have a suitable corp name now after placing some punctuation half way through the name I originally wanted which was a pretty obscure mix of pretty random words and something quite personal to me. To be honest I was VERY surprised it was taken.

I did not expect this much hostility towards an idea designed to clean up the database, and free up some names for the new spunk coming into the game. Fair enough taking names from established players on a 3 year 'break' might be out of the question, but shutting down 'corporations' held by completely undeveloped alts on 5 year inactive accounts?

Something like this could probably be quite easily be coded into a script/parser with some kind IF/THEN function to delete entries with perameters surrounding '>5 year account inactivity' and 'character development = 0' (I don't pretend to be a programmer so mock me if needs be but I'm sure CCP's data trackers have perameters like these that could be taken advantage of). I'm sure some kind of database failsafe already exists to dump characters into their original noob corps if a bug causes them to become corpless.

Meh, I've said my piece which is what these forums are for at the end of the day. I'll leave the thread to burn in the flames.

They may still have value. Those corps can be tradeable commodities. Simply stripping them away is bad for business.



What business do you get from a 6+ year old alt who has never logged in past corp creation?

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Space Mutiny
#42 - 2012-04-11 17:18:28 UTC
I'm surprised I got my corp name despite it be a very very popular and awesome movie.
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Darth Gustav
Sith Interstellar Tech Harvesting
#43 - 2012-04-11 17:19:53 UTC  |  Edited by: Darth Gustav
Micheal Dietrich wrote:
Darth Gustav wrote:
Benny Ohu wrote:
Petrus Blackshell wrote:
It's the same complaint that occurs about domain name squatting. What if you wanted to start a website for your deluxe peanut shop family business called Peanut House, but found that peanuthouse.com is taken by someone who is not even using it?

That person had the idea to get the domain name first, and paid money to do so, just as the guy in that one-man corp you're hating on did. In fact, the guy in the one-man corp likely paid more for his corp name legacy than the domain name squatter paid for the same amount of time holding peanuthouse.com. Why can anyone feel entitled to a corp name enough to boot someone else who paid for the same corp name?


That's true, and if making people buy corps from you for the name was a thing, I'd like it. If there was a game around it, if there was a reason in EVE to sit on a corp name... but there isn't :(

I mean, I hear you're allowed to continually bump a freighter if you have an actual reason for doing so. (Don't take my word on that, it's normally considered grief play)

I don't think corp names that belonged to actual corps that had members should be claimable, though. Those are a part of EVE history.

All corps have at least one member. Fun fact, they're all also part of Eve history, for the same reason.

And you can sell corpnames. Where does it say that you cannot?

Flaming Head wrote:
No, I want to datamine all the dead corps in Eve for other people wanting to start a corp. I already have a suitable corp name now after placing some punctuation half way through the name I originally wanted which was a pretty obscure mix of pretty random words and something quite personal to me. To be honest I was VERY surprised it was taken.

I did not expect this much hostility towards an idea designed to clean up the database, and free up some names for the new spunk coming into the game. Fair enough taking names from established players on a 3 year 'break' might be out of the question, but shutting down 'corporations' held by completely undeveloped alts on 5 year inactive accounts?

Something like this could probably be quite easily be coded into a script/parser with some kind IF/THEN function to delete entries with perameters surrounding '>5 year account inactivity' and 'character development = 0' (I don't pretend to be a programmer so mock me if needs be but I'm sure CCP's data trackers have perameters like these that could be taken advantage of). I'm sure some kind of database failsafe already exists to dump characters into their original noob corps if a bug causes them to become corpless.

Meh, I've said my piece which is what these forums are for at the end of the day. I'll leave the thread to burn in the flames.

They may still have value. Those corps can be tradeable commodities. Simply stripping them away is bad for business.



What business do you get from a 6+ year old alt who has never logged in past corp creation?


Hyperbole. You cannot prove their login data. And if you can, disclosing it here is a violation of the TOS and EULA.

So the answer remains: Their right to it is as valuable as yours or the OP's. More, actually, because they got it first.

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Micheal Dietrich
Kings Gambit Black
#44 - 2012-04-11 17:24:41 UTC
Darth Gustav wrote:


Hyperbole. You cannot prove their login data. And if you can, disclosing it here is a violation of the TOS and EULA.

So the answer remains: Their right to it is as valuable as yours or the OP's. More, actually, because they got it first.



Uh, I kind of did back on page 2.

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Benny Ohu
Royal Amarr Institute
Amarr Empire
#45 - 2012-04-11 17:25:13 UTC
Darth Gustav wrote:
All corps have at least one member. Fun fact, they're all also part of Eve history, for the same reason.


No. Freaking. Way. All corps having at least one member? Are you serious? Like, really? True? Damn you're so good at EVE.

A one-day-alt corp that didn't actually engage with any other part of the EVE community in any meaningful way cannot be considered part of the game's history.

Really, mate, stop posting.

Petrus Blackshell wrote:
Sounds like an untapped niche. Why are you here whining about it instead of out there selling corp names?


I think the difference between domain names and EVE is that the people who do it with domain names register things like, "halo4.com", names that are definitely going to be wanted by someone with money. Although corp names theoretically could be a sellable commodity, I don't think it'd actually happen in this game.

Please also remember the OP is talking specifically about characters on inactive accounts from years ago... I doubt those are intending to sell the name anytime soon.

Petrus Blackshell wrote:

I think "amusement" is considered an "actual reason".


I do not think so Sad If you want to, confirm with a GM, it's probably something I heard some corpies talking about once
Smithwick O'Flaherty
eXceed Inc.
Plucky Adventurers
#46 - 2012-04-11 17:25:31 UTC
i went the obscure movie reference route
Darth Gustav
Sith Interstellar Tech Harvesting
#47 - 2012-04-11 17:26:23 UTC
Micheal Dietrich wrote:
Darth Gustav wrote:


Hyperbole. You cannot prove their login data. And if you can, disclosing it here is a violation of the TOS and EULA.

So the answer remains: Their right to it is as valuable as yours or the OP's. More, actually, because they got it first.



Uh, I kind of did back on page 2.

"Possibly Inactive"

Yeah that looks really definitive right there boy.

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Benny Ohu
Royal Amarr Institute
Amarr Empire
#48 - 2012-04-11 17:28:58 UTC
Smithwick O'Flaherty wrote:
i went the obscure movie reference route




arrgh i don't get it X
Mark Androcius
#49 - 2012-04-11 17:29:21 UTC
There's a lot of imagination out there, for when it comes to making up names, a lot of characters have very funny, nice, cool or just realistic yet special names, so why would coming up with a name for a corp be such a problem?

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Darth Gustav
Sith Interstellar Tech Harvesting
#50 - 2012-04-11 17:31:04 UTC
Mark Androcius wrote:
There's a lot of imagination out there, for when it comes to making up names, a lot of characters have very funny, nice, cool or just realistic yet special names, so why would coming up with a name for a corp be such a problem?

It isn't, people just want Rules Lawyer mechanics to do most of the gaming for them.

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Micheal Dietrich
Kings Gambit Black
#51 - 2012-04-11 17:32:33 UTC
Darth Gustav wrote:
Micheal Dietrich wrote:
Darth Gustav wrote:


Hyperbole. You cannot prove their login data. And if you can, disclosing it here is a violation of the TOS and EULA.

So the answer remains: Their right to it is as valuable as yours or the OP's. More, actually, because they got it first.



Uh, I kind of did back on page 2.

"Possibly Inactive"

Yeah that looks really definitive right there boy.



Yeah, also take note that the 1 character doesn't have a portrait. Can't get into game until you make one. Think McFly Think!

You also aren't taking into account for the people who are just too damn lazy to kill the corp. I say if someone wants a shot at a corp name that appears to be inactive,then CCP can send an email to the account holder of the corp. Even if he doesn't play the game currently and still wants it then he can say no, I won't release it. If he doesn't answer in 10 days or says yeah give it up, then the corp can be relinquished to somebody who will use it. One of the older mmo's used to do this but sadly I can't remember which one it was.

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Darth Gustav
Sith Interstellar Tech Harvesting
#52 - 2012-04-11 17:34:58 UTC
Micheal Dietrich wrote:
Darth Gustav wrote:
Micheal Dietrich wrote:
Darth Gustav wrote:


Hyperbole. You cannot prove their login data. And if you can, disclosing it here is a violation of the TOS and EULA.

So the answer remains: Their right to it is as valuable as yours or the OP's. More, actually, because they got it first.



Uh, I kind of did back on page 2.

"Possibly Inactive"

Yeah that looks really definitive right there boy.



Yeah, also take note that the 1 character doesn't have a portrait. Can't get into game until you make one. Think McFly Think!

You also aren't taking into account for the people who are just too damn lazy to kill the corp. I say if someone wants a shot at a corp name that appears to be inactive,then CCP can send an email to the account holder of the corp. Even if he doesn't play the game currently and still wants it then he can say no, I won't release it. If he doesn't answer in 10 days or says yeah give it up, then the corp can be relinquished to somebody who will use it. One of the older mmo's used to do this but sadly I can't remember which one it was.

That seems like a lot of overhead for Princess Corpname TBH. An alternate solution is the newer player can come up with something themselves even if it isn't the perfect seven-mattress sandwich sans-pea.

I think that's my biggest problem here. It's the Princess and the freaking Pea.

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Smithwick O'Flaherty
eXceed Inc.
Plucky Adventurers
#53 - 2012-04-11 17:35:01 UTC
Benny Ohu wrote:
Smithwick O'Flaherty wrote:
i went the obscure movie reference route




arrgh i don't get it X




mission accomplished =)


ill throw you a bone and bless you with an awesome movie

http://www.imdb.com/title/tt1190536/
Jojo Jackson
Dead Red Eye
#54 - 2012-04-11 17:35:29 UTC
namron 7 wrote:
Im sure that this is one of the rules of the internet.

"All the best names will be taken"


Just if you try such brainless stuff like:
- "Killing Death"
- "Death Killers"
- "Black Killer"
- "Black Death Killers"
- "Legion of Killers"
- "Black Legion of Killers"
- "Batmans"
- "Supermans"
- "Micky Mouse"
- "Black killing suber Micky Batman"

;)

Why the hell can't I fitt capital repairs or shield booster on an Orca ... it's an CAPITAL ship!
Petrus Blackshell
Rifterlings
#55 - 2012-04-11 17:36:13 UTC
Micheal Dietrich wrote:

You also aren't taking into account for the people who are just too damn lazy to kill the corp. I say if someone wants a shot at a corp name that appears to be inactive,then CCP can send an email to the account holder of the corp. Even if he doesn't play the game currently and still wants it then he can say no, I won't release it. If he doesn't answer in 10 days or says yeah give it up, then the corp can be relinquished to somebody who will use it. One of the older mmo's used to do this but sadly I can't remember which one it was.


This would be a solution, but my bets are that a cost/benefit analysis would put it pretty low on the list of CCP's priorities.

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Romar Agent
Doomheim
#56 - 2012-04-11 17:46:00 UTC
I'm feeling the urge to open a corporation with the epic name "Taken by Alts"...

I understand the OP.

Especially when you research some of the more renowned character names, say Paul Atreides or Han Solo and get a pictureless account.
Killer Gandry
The Concilium Enterprises
#57 - 2012-04-11 17:48:24 UTC
Romar Agent wrote:
I'm feeling the urge to open a corporation with the epic name "Taken by Alts"...

I understand the OP.

Especially when you research some of the more renowned character names, say Paul Atreides or Han Solo and get a pictureless account.


Well, it could be worse. Your corp name could be Science and Trade Institute.
Nura Taron
Doomheim
#58 - 2012-04-11 18:04:31 UTC
Darth Gustav wrote:
Benny Ohu wrote:
I think the OP has a good point about one-man minimum-skill alts taking up corp names. Their post wasn't about actual old corps, just one-man non-corps. Telling them to 'be more creative' to get around the issue doesn't make it any less of an issue.

Those people paid their in-game ISK to reserve the name, too.

If I had the oldest corp in Eve, came back, found it gone and me in an NPC corp...

...I'd wonder why they datamined my corp for a half-wit's naming woes tbfh.

First, if having the corp was important to them they wouldn't have left it empty on an untrained alt. Secondly, If they haven't played in 5 years they're not coming back.
Darth Gustav
Sith Interstellar Tech Harvesting
#59 - 2012-04-11 18:06:39 UTC  |  Edited by: Darth Gustav
Nura Taron wrote:
Darth Gustav wrote:
Benny Ohu wrote:
I think the OP has a good point about one-man minimum-skill alts taking up corp names. Their post wasn't about actual old corps, just one-man non-corps. Telling them to 'be more creative' to get around the issue doesn't make it any less of an issue.

Those people paid their in-game ISK to reserve the name, too.

If I had the oldest corp in Eve, came back, found it gone and me in an NPC corp...

...I'd wonder why they datamined my corp for a half-wit's naming woes tbfh.

First, if having the corp was important to them they wouldn't have left it empty on an untrained alt. Secondly, If they haven't played in 5 years they're not coming back.

I have accounts from more than five years ago which are not currently subbed and haven't been for five or more years.

Therefore this is not a post.

Oh wait I mean therefore you have no ******* point.

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Micheal Dietrich
Kings Gambit Black
#60 - 2012-04-11 18:08:47 UTC
Petrus Blackshell wrote:
Micheal Dietrich wrote:

You also aren't taking into account for the people who are just too damn lazy to kill the corp. I say if someone wants a shot at a corp name that appears to be inactive,then CCP can send an email to the account holder of the corp. Even if he doesn't play the game currently and still wants it then he can say no, I won't release it. If he doesn't answer in 10 days or says yeah give it up, then the corp can be relinquished to somebody who will use it. One of the older mmo's used to do this but sadly I can't remember which one it was.


This would be a solution, but my bets are that a cost/benefit analysis would put it pretty low on the list of CCP's priorities.



I wouldn't expect this to be on any priorities list anytime in the near or distance future either, but I still like the concept of doing the occasional cleanup. DAOC's name's got so bad that you could hit the random name generator and it would tell you that name was taken. It seriously took like 5 minutes to make the character and 45 minutes to think of something obscure enough to get in.

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