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Harsher punishment for Botting and RMT

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Shelob Pippen
TOASTED Corp
#21 - 2011-09-13 21:50:07 UTC
+1

I say ban em all, for all time.
Digital Messiah
Center for Advanced Studies
Gallente Federation
#22 - 2011-09-14 00:43:35 UTC
AngelFood wrote:
Who are you?
What possible authority could you have on the subject?
What are you proposals compared to?(ie. what makes you think ccp aren't harsher than your pathetic proposals?)

Why are people taking such a weak thread seriously?

CCP are already engaged in a strict enforcement of botting and have published full ban numbers and are continuing the good work with a vengeance.

This is probably some sad weak propaganda and if i was ccp i'd ban you, just to show you that your not as clever as you think you are either way.

I don't know how to take this seriously. If it wasn't so illogical, or your proposal that I be banned for having an opinion, than perhaps I could take you for something other than a troll.

Something clever

Tarryn Nightstorm
Hellstar Towing and Recovery
#23 - 2011-09-25 04:43:17 UTC
+1

Star Wars: the Old Republic may not be EVE. But I'll take the sound of dual blaster-pistols over "NURVV CLAOKING NAOW!!!11oneone!!" any day of the week.

seany1212
M Y S T
#24 - 2011-09-25 08:11:31 UTC
WTF´s this doing in C&P, go play in GD or something Roll

However, since its here, +1
Aqriue
Center for Advanced Studies
Gallente Federation
#25 - 2011-09-25 15:14:28 UTC
Digital Messiah wrote:
Words


1. Why is this in Crime and Punishment? Botting isn't an EVE crime (Ganking, High sec asshattery, ransom + podding, corp thief revealment), its a crime against the EULA. Suggestions is <<-- or was it -->> What?

2. You are not Judge Dread, put away the Batcowls and stop shouting "I am BATMAN! For...I am...the LAW!!!" for dramatic effect. You hit the petition, fill out the information necessary, hit submit, and BAM! Done. Thats it. You are not judge, jury, and executioner. Leave the necessary work to the GM's, because they are paid to deal with that shat. Best you can do is gank the target as someone already posted.

3. Why would CCP want to ban accounts? Unless it a mass banning like "Holy Ragegeddon" to shut down the bot farms containing massive numbers of accounts (basicly factories putting out the isk), its better off for CCP to just leave the individual accounts as is and hit the wallet. Make it go negitive, because if you have zero isk in the wallet and remove all assets on the account, you cannot do anything: No contracts, no fitting ships, no marketing, nothing. So you have two choices; cancel the sub by your own submission to move on to another MMO or bow down, admit you F*** up, and buy plex. CCP wants you to buy plex, sell on alt character, send isk to character with neg wallet and BAM! Imagine if the wallet was minus 5 billion isk....thats what? $35 USD x 3 purchases = 6 plex for (400 million, rounding up). Even sending back to the offending character, it disseappers into nothing to make it positive and you basicly pay a $100+ fee to reinstate your account to playable condition (cause you cannot do anything with a rookie ship and civ guns, having no other means to buy actual weapons) . CCP then continues to make money off your subscription and if you bot again only to be reset to zero asset/isk...then you are just plain stupid
seany1212
M Y S T
#26 - 2011-09-25 16:28:20 UTC
Aqriue wrote:
its better off for CCP to just leave the individual accounts as is and hit the wallet. Make it go negitive, because if you have zero isk in the wallet and remove all assets on the account, you cannot do anything: No contracts, no fitting ships, no marketing, nothing. So you have two choices; cancel the sub by your own submission to move on to another MMO or bow down, admit you F*** up, and buy plex.


Wrong. They´re bots, what the hell do they need all that for? You can leave them in a pod and strip them of isk and assets, then whoever owns them will just jet a barge from somewhere and they´ll be back to mining again, dont need isk and assets in order to mine.
Banning them would be the logical method but in doing that CCP will be selling less plex on the market to the botters, this is why nothing will ever get done, botters still mean subscriptions for every character thats botting, it still results in cash in CCP´s wallet when it comes to plex buying. The only case this does not apply is when isk is being sold through other methods. I´d like to see them banned but we´ll see with CCP´s current subscription problem.
Fedimart
Doomheim
#27 - 2011-09-25 16:40:19 UTC
Obviously this thread has angered a few botters. Running macros is common in eve and for the most part CCP turns a blind eye to it because even bots are PAYING accounts. When I was in 0.0 I reported many macro ratters and CCP did nothing. CCP does enforce the no ISK buying rule since it directly competes with their PLEX sales. When bots start costing CCP money they will disappear. I know most eve players don't like bots but like it or not CCP is in the business to make money. This is no different than any other business.
Aqriue
Center for Advanced Studies
Gallente Federation
#28 - 2011-09-26 04:26:32 UTC
seany1212 wrote:
Aqriue wrote:
its better off for CCP to just leave the individual accounts as is and hit the wallet. Make it go negitive, because if you have zero isk in the wallet and remove all assets on the account, you cannot do anything: No contracts, no fitting ships, no marketing, nothing. So you have two choices; cancel the sub by your own submission to move on to another MMO or bow down, admit you F*** up, and buy plex.


Wrong. They´re bots, what the hell do they need all that for? You can leave them in a pod and strip them of isk and assets, then whoever owns them will just jet a barge from somewhere and they´ll be back to mining again, dont need isk and assets in order to mine.
Banning them would be the logical method but in doing that CCP will be selling less plex on the market to the botters, this is why nothing will ever get done, botters still mean subscriptions for every character thats botting, it still results in cash in CCP´s wallet when it comes to plex buying. The only case this does not apply is when isk is being sold through other methods. I´d like to see them banned but we´ll see with CCP´s current subscription problem.


Good old Forum cookie monster, eating my post and all I did was hit preview

To rehash it quick, cause I got to go.

The general population is a collective idiot that jumps to the quickest assumption "Bot! Get the pitchforks and rope!" without enough information because they see the exact Name1-Name5 in the same belt. Not everyone bots, I know of a guy that runs 5 accounts (converstation jumps from character to character as he alt tabs) mining to PLEX them all and if thats his choice...so what. If he was botting, he wouldn't keep on doing it after CCP did an investigation only to find macroboting and mining is so brain dead that you don't need to bot it. If he wants to work a second job in EVE, kudos to him because it helps to keep the price of PLEX more or less stable as too many selling PLEX they just bought with RL cash (<--micro-transaction! Get the rope!) would drive the price down to the point no one would want to sell 100m for 30 days of game time (to many slackass buying PLEX with cash to trade for ISK is also a huge problem already, they are to damn lazy to mission or mine for a source of income but they want to jump straight to ship piloting and ship destruction). . And if this same guy botted....where would he get the necessary material to start over if all 5 accounts to mine again if his account was set to zero? He isn't part of a sweat shop, which should deserve perma banning, but on the individual basis for those running many accounts I don't think CCP really cares because they encourage multi-boxing and if someone took a short cut...well I doubt they would want to start over from scratch unless it was the sweat shops but threat of lolban hasn't stopped them yet.

And Bob is your uncle.
BuzzyBeagle
Centers for Intergalactic Mercantile Acquisition
#29 - 2011-09-26 12:56:39 UTC
attention INTERPOL looks like the OP is a WW2 german war criminal
Skippermonkey
Deep Core Mining Inc.
Caldari State
#30 - 2011-09-26 13:02:00 UTC
BuzzyBeagle wrote:
attention INTERPOL looks like the OP is a WW2 german war criminal

attention CCP looks like BuzzyBeagle is a RMT isk buying communist

Stop ruining the good name of SN on the forums, or at least try harder.

COME AT ME BRO

I'LL JUST BE DOCKED IN THIS STATION

seany1212
M Y S T
#31 - 2011-09-26 14:27:53 UTC
Aqriue wrote:

The general population is a collective idiot that jumps to the quickest assumption "Bot! Get the pitchforks and rope!" without enough information because they see the exact Name1-Name5 in the same belt. Not everyone bots, I know of a guy that runs 5 accounts (converstation jumps from character to character as he alt tabs) mining to PLEX them all and if thats his choice...so what. If he was botting, he wouldn't keep on doing it after CCP did an investigation only to find macroboting and mining is so brain dead that you don't need to bot it. If he wants to work a second job in EVE, kudos to him because it helps to keep the price of PLEX more or less stable as too many selling PLEX they just bought with RL cash (<--micro-transaction! Get the rope!) would drive the price down to the point no one would want to sell 100m for 30 days of game time (to many slackass buying PLEX with cash to trade for ISK is also a huge problem already, they are to damn lazy to mission or mine for a source of income but they want to jump straight to ship piloting and ship destruction). . And if this same guy botted....where would he get the necessary material to start over if all 5 accounts to mine again if his account was set to zero?


Thats amazing, but since this thread is on about botting and not a guy (or girl) with several accounts your point is m00t. I too know of people who multibox with a crap-ton of accounts (an alliance mate has a whole tengu fleet).

You assume that botters would keep there collective isk/materials/whateverelsethereafter on there individual accounts, its probably more likely that the collective gain goes to another overall account incase the botting accounts were banned. So im going to say yes if he had some intelligence he probably would have the material to start all 5 again Roll
Aqriue
Center for Advanced Studies
Gallente Federation
#32 - 2011-09-26 16:54:22 UTC
seany1212 wrote:
Thats amazing, but since this thread is on about botting and not a guy (or girl) with several accounts your point is m00t. I too know of people who multibox with a crap-ton of accounts (an alliance mate has a whole tengu fleet).

You assume that botters would keep there collective isk/materials/whateverelsethereafter on there individual accounts, its probably more likely that the collective gain goes to another overall account incase the botting accounts were banned. So im going to say yes if he had some intelligence he probably would have the material to start all 5 again Roll

The entire thread is moot. If anyone had any intelligence, they would come to the conclusion that one of the following is true

1)CCP is diligent
2)CCP is lax
3)CCP is being paid under the table to let it continue
4)Forum drama exaggerated the actual truth of botters, cause they are uniformed and don't know to send a petition so the GMs can deal with the issue

I am thinking its a combo of 1 and 4 that brings this topic up every month. The pitchform bridgade should just let the topic die and submit petitions should their spide-senses go off, cause I am quite sure the massive number of "Bots!" is just people running many accounts with Alt-tab.exe Shocked and cause we all know the idiot bridgade bothers to try communicating with people before opening fire, we all speak the same language, or that in EVE you generally either keep close attention to local to warp off if it spikes or ignore it cause if you do say something you might get a wardec or someone's ire comming your way Roll. Submit petition and move on, I ain't botting and its generally not affecting me but as an upstanding citizen of EVE it is a responsible act to alert the proper authorities.

As for the example of the 5 accounts getting isk/assets to continue after being reset...wouldn't you be keeping tabs on the issue in the first place and suddenly they are back at it gain. Where did the new assets come from? Quick Robin! To the Batcave! and dig deeper, cause now your dragnet just got wider and going for the source. At the same time, you might find some people who bot but don't want to loose the entire character/accounts and would be willing to cough up some cash to keep the accounts in playable condition with threats of further punitive actions should they try it again, cause right now nothing stops the bot farms from starting up a new character from scratch which no one knows who it is until its discovered and it only takes a month to get a new CNR runner or 2 months for a Hulk pilot.
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