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T0 Loot will be replaced by Metalscraps
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Thebriwan
LUX Uls Xystus
#1 - 2012-04-11 11:07:47 UTC
CCP Greyscale wrote:
Pulling all the Meta 0* loot out of PvE drops has been on our to-do list for a while, as it's damaging to both mining and T1 industry. With the changes to rogue drones going in, we're already committing to a mineral supply "shock" in this patch, so we decided when planning this release to roll in the Meta 0 removal at the same time so we only have to go through this process once. Due to the way that the loot tables are set up internally, it's *substantially* easier** to replace loot rather than remove it, so the solution we're going with for now is swapping all the Meta 0 stuff for metal scraps (the 0.01m3 version).


*Ie, vanilla T1 equipment - your Cap Recharger Is and 1MN Afterburner Is and so on

** We have a chance of picking from a given loot table, and then ratios for each type within the table. If we just removed the Meta 0 stuff, we'd end up dropping WAY more Meta 1-4, which isn't desirable, and the only way to resolve this is to alter the table pick rates, which are authored on a per-NPC basis, which would mean recalculating and adjusting every NPC in the game. This isn't really viable within the scope of this release, and we don't want to push this change back because it means doing a "double shock" to mineral prices; hence the metal scraps.


Taken from here

So there will be coming Trit from the Mission runners after all.
Aina Sasaki
Garoun Investment Bank
Gallente Federation
#2 - 2012-04-11 12:17:17 UTC
Oh fun. Good thing I didn't bother speculating at all into Tritanium.

Anyone else thinking that there is about to be a massive sell off of Tritanium? :o

- Rei
Irisa Selenia
Doomheim
#3 - 2012-04-11 12:19:11 UTC
Good, nobody likes highsec miners anyway.
Mookie Quantico
Doomheim
#4 - 2012-04-11 13:16:03 UTC
Aina Sasaki wrote:
Oh fun. Good thing I didn't bother speculating at all into Tritanium.

Anyone else thinking that there is about to be a massive sell off of Tritanium? :o



Not likely... key word here is "scraps"... as in next to nothing. Nothing says "Can't Be Arsed" like slumming for scraps...no matter how little m3 it requires to carry.

Mook
silent Serena
Khanid Mineral Reserves
#5 - 2012-04-11 13:19:27 UTC
Mookie Quantico wrote:
Aina Sasaki wrote:
Oh fun. Good thing I didn't bother speculating at all into Tritanium.

Anyone else thinking that there is about to be a massive sell off of Tritanium? :o



Not likely... key word here is "scraps"... as in next to nothing. Nothing says "Can't Be Arsed" like slumming for scraps...no matter how little m3 it requires to carry.

Mook



You invested alot in trit huh? =)
Saidin Thor
The Odin Conspiracy
#6 - 2012-04-11 13:20:30 UTC  |  Edited by: Saidin Thor
Mookie Quantico wrote:
Aina Sasaki wrote:
Oh fun. Good thing I didn't bother speculating at all into Tritanium.

Anyone else thinking that there is about to be a massive sell off of Tritanium? :o



Not likely... key word here is "scraps"... as in next to nothing. Nothing says "Can't Be Arsed" like slumming for scraps...no matter how little m3 it requires to carry.

Mook


I can't tell if this post is a troll or actually serious. But no.
Via Shiva
Perkone
Caldari State
#7 - 2012-04-11 14:06:37 UTC
CCP Greyscale wrote:


Yup, any time you'd get a Meta 0 on TQ currently, you'll now get a unit of Metal Scraps instead.



no trit will not drop, one unit of scraps only
Brock Nelson
#8 - 2012-04-11 14:54:12 UTC
Via Shiva wrote:
CCP Greyscale wrote:


Yup, any time you'd get a Meta 0 on TQ currently, you'll now get a unit of Metal Scraps instead.



no trit will not drop, one unit of scraps only


Have you ever reprocessed metal scraps?

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VaMei
Meafi Corp
#9 - 2012-04-11 14:57:56 UTC
Brock Nelson wrote:
Via Shiva wrote:
CCP Greyscale wrote:
Yup, any time you'd get a Meta 0 on TQ currently, you'll now get a unit of Metal Scraps instead.
no trit will not drop, one unit of scraps only
Have you ever reprocessed metal scraps?

Can you say death of the trit compression business? I know you can...
EvilweaselFinance
GoonCorp
Goonswarm Federation
#10 - 2012-04-11 15:24:54 UTC
this is the buff to outpost building i have been waiting for
Silver Ott
#11 - 2012-04-11 15:38:39 UTC
lets end the 'gunmining' by adding more minerals to loot drops
makes perfect sence
EvilweaselFinance
GoonCorp
Goonswarm Federation
#12 - 2012-04-11 15:42:59 UTC
lets play a game called "figure out what percentage of t1 items that drop contain less than 500 trit"
Stonkeep
Osmanli Empire
#13 - 2012-04-11 15:46:37 UTC  |  Edited by: Stonkeep
This changes nothing, there will still be much less trit from reprocessing.

Some examples;

1 x Metal Scrap = 500 trit

1 x 1MN Afterburner I = 637 trit
1 x 10MN Afterburner I = 3436 trit
1 x 1MN MicroWarpdrive I = 3570 trit
1 x 10MN MicroWarpdrive I = 15630 trit

In short, they would need to drop more than 31 metal scrap for 1 10MN MWD.
Silver Ott
#14 - 2012-04-11 15:47:10 UTC
can i roleplay in that game?
Steve Ronuken
Fuzzwork Enterprises
Vote Steve Ronuken for CSM
#15 - 2012-04-11 16:05:27 UTC
Biggest effect will be on trit compression, as metal scraps will become a lot more common. (should, at least).

And it beats everything hands down on compression.

If people collect them. Don't see why they wouldn't, as they're tiny.

Woo! CSM XI!

Fuzzwork Enterprises

Twitter: @fuzzysteve on Twitter
Silver Ott
#16 - 2012-04-11 16:15:10 UTC
why cant they just replace that stuff with a tag like item
that you can turn in for security gains equivalent to killing that specific rat
or something instead of replacing minerals with less minerals
AureoBroker
Perkone
Caldari State
#17 - 2012-04-11 16:46:48 UTC
INB4 reprocessing value of scraps down by 75%.
Skydell
Bad Girl Posse
#18 - 2012-04-11 17:09:44 UTC
Silver Ott wrote:
why cant they just replace that stuff with a tag like item
that you can turn in for security gains equivalent to killing that specific rat
or something instead of replacing minerals with less minerals


Because they ignored tags for 10 years and now there are 10's of millions of them in the game with no purpose and not enough minerals to reproc for. They are, in the words of WoW, Vendor trash.
Ninyania alCladdyth
McLuvin AstroDynamics
#19 - 2012-04-11 17:21:47 UTC
The could easily change metal scraps to refine into 50 trit, or 10 trit, or 1 trit... or not refine at all.
Droxlyn
School of Applied Knowledge
Caldari State
#20 - 2012-04-11 18:03:47 UTC
Skydell wrote:
Silver Ott wrote:
why cant they just replace that stuff with a tag like item
that you can turn in for security gains equivalent to killing that specific rat
or something instead of replacing minerals with less minerals


Because they ignored tags for 10 years and now there are 10's of millions of them in the game with no purpose and not enough minerals to reproc for. They are, in the words of WoW, Vendor trash.


Have you tried reprocessing tags?
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