Player Features and Ideas Discussion

Bumping in hopes that discussion will ensure >_>;

I think clone jumping timers should be removed altogether.

I think 24 hours is a bit much. How does it enhance my gameplay experience to jump 65 jumps to a system when I could just clone jump?

I hope to god this guy never finds out about carriers.

Jumpclones require either standings or a rorqual. Neither of wich are easy to get at.

Fair enough. At least you didn't rush in and go: "n0000000b ur 1deA sukz"

so if they are not the same as you admit it, why then do you bring them into this discussion?
They are not, so keep them away from this thread. Or if you think they ARE the same, then simply use them and dont ask for clone jump changes.

Jump clone cooldown SHOULD NOT be removed all together. The reason is because this then becomes a major advantage to those with multiple jump clones or lots of isk for jump clone.

The reason I say this is because if you get podded, than without a cooldown timer, you can just take a clone, drop it in a station or super near or in the fight with several ships, then automatically jump right back into the fight.
While this would be nice and all for those who like to fight, it takes away from the sense of loss.
What's the point in having a battle if everyone just keeps coming back to the fight over and over again.

However, I do think their should be a skill to reduce it a bit.

Jump Clone Management

lvl 1 - 21.6 hrs
lvl 2 - 19.2 hrs
lvl 3 - 16.8 hrs
lvl 4 - 14.4 hrs
lvl 5 - 12 hrs


12 hrs is long enough to put a character out of a major battle unless they're will to travel the distance.

However, jump clones are used for more than just combat. They are often times used for logistical purposes, or to maintain PI or some other means in low/null.

When you restrict a player to 24 hrs, then they essentially log on, jump to a clone, do a small task, then log off for 24 hrs until they can jump back to another clone which is generally where all the action is that would keep them online and playing.

Reducing the cooldown to 12 hrs would mean less time players spend logged off waiting for their cooldown.

IMO the fact you as character can travel instantly over infinite distances alone is broken enough not to shorten the cooldown at any circumstance, but make it even longer.

I have several thoughts on this:

1.) JC's are easy to get. All you need is a rorqual, a titan, standings, or a player owned station. I think Chribba has a station in providence that you can get jump clones at for moreless nothing. Any person can travel to his station and install a JC.... there are also high-standing corps you can join to get JC's. As such, while JC's used to be hard to get, they aren't anymore...


2.) Jump clones are not the only means to cross the galaxy. You can clone hop by moving your med clone and suiciding your capsule, and you can fly through space. Both of these options are better for EvE, as they both have significant costs. Clone hopping requires Med facility access, requires viable destination point (usually setup with a corp office), gets expensive with high-sp characters, and you lose your implants to boot! Traveling takes time, and can even be risky. Given the "costs" associated

So, here's the fundamental question: Why do we have/need JCs?

IMO, JC's were introduced so people could segregate their clones into an every day clone, and specialized clones for specific activities (be it learning, flying a supercap, pro-mining, etc, etc). They were purposely created with a significant drawback (the 24 hr timer), so you couldn't be the master of all activities, anywhere and everywhere within the EvE universe. Frankly, they need an inconvenient timer, as it severely limits how much you can abuse the JC. IMO, JC'ing should not be the NORMAL mode of travel between regions and activities... that should be flying!!!!

I think 24 hours is pretty much the perfect period of time.... Its long enough that, assuming you have pretty much static play times, you can't continuously do multiple activities in multiple regions using JC's alone! This is a GOOD THING!!! By having a good length on you JC, you really enhance the value of activity-oriented implanted clones.... Getting into the mindlinked clone, or the +5 learning clone, now carries added risks or penalties... This makes them more valuable!!!

So, why do you need a reduced JC timer? What are you trying to accomplish? And what new penalties will you add to compensate.... A straight reduction isn't right in my mind... but perhaps coupled with a penalty it could be interesting...

Imagine that after a JC, you spooled up a charge:
After 12 hours, you had enough charge to JC a 8 light years distance,
After 24 hours, 16 LY's, (Carrier distance)
After 48 hours, 48 LY's, (To Highsec)
After 72 hours, 192 LY's, (Anywhere).

This way, if you are fighting an offensive war on the opposite side of the map, having everyone JC back to defend home means you leave the offensive front for a couple of days... or else everyone has to med clone back and forth (which is far more taxing on the playerbase).

It also means, if you're a Nullsec PvP'er that tries to make their money in highsec, they have to compromise between their nullsec and highsec activities...