Market Discussions

It all began a few days ago on the Bulk Trade mailing list. For the past few months I have been trading under the name "Joyous the". I would post this with that chara, but I do not use alts on the forum(for actual posts). Never have

But let me back up first. It is after all, from A-Z

I've been playing since 03, various money making schemes over the years. When GTCs were big I got into that game http://community.eveonline.com/ingameboard.asp?a=topic&threadID=418479 I ran it, noone was bigger at the time. I won, it got boring, got old, gave it to a friend and he made it bigger, ended up financing the building of Deklein region with the isk

Later on I returned to the game, Delve war1. All of EVE was amassed against BoB. Through chance I came about a business model. I was in Triumvirate 1 at the time, we owned Deklein. Having spent years in the North I know Gurista space very well. Back then farming was still being done by Chinese players, not bots, and corpless. Since all of EVE was blue except for BoBs space I realized if I could get a corp into a 0.0 alliance I could have standings with nearly all of EVE. I did this, and using my characters I traveled around the North camping the Chinese population forcing them into my corp and taxing them 9%. In return I would help them with logistics, and above all else they are now blue to the local alliances. I learned to speak basic Chinese during this time. I grew my corp till we had 90% of the corpless Chinese in Gurista space residing within it. My name grew within the Chinese community and since all of EVE was blue, I opened up offices in the South and they would voluntarily join. It however got too big, peak times 40-50 ravens online. I got burnt out because after all, this was just a 1 man operation. I gave it up, having built the largest Chinese corp of the day, I got it to where I wanted and quit. I want to stress I never RMT'd, broke any rules, I only taxed players. What they do with their accounts is not my concern.

When the NAGA corp decided to stop producing I got into the t2 bpo game. Suddenly after many years of producers not knowing the worth of their bpos, they now have them back. Some of the major players at the time was me Storwin Winters and Skilz. I started behind them with little isk to my name but quickly caught up. Within months I turned a single digit into tripple. We progressed the t2 bpo market to the prices they are today, constantly flipping. Boredom came about again and I gave away most and left

I can back to the game recently. I wanted a new challenge. I saw how much isk people had floating around but I also saw that prices on moduals hadn't increased. This is where I would come in. But first I need capitol. The ice interdiction just started. I was there ground floor, and I never sold till the final push 2 days prior to it all crashing when it peaked above 2k. I spent some time in Fountain doing complexes during this time while sitting on my stack

Then a month or 2 ago I started my buyouts of entire EVE markets of moduals. Toppling Jita, Amarr, Dodixie, and Rens simultaneously. Started small I took out the ECM markets, Adaptive Nanos, and Crokite crystals, let them run their coarse, eventually dropping back down. Then brought everything back up. Then I went after Sensor Boosters. The volume of this product gave it a different dynamic than the others. I made a killing, but also learned some valuable lessons and how to continue in the future. Lessons I have applied to the Diag market. It's going well

Being a 1 man operation has its drawbacks however. It's alot of things to do. So I've reached out to other traders while doing this, giving huge discounts on massive quantities of moduals. I keep everyone informed, it's in my best interest that they do not lose money because that means they will not come back for repeat business. I sell on the open market, but most of my sales are to traders, I try not to overly compete because I rather them exaust their stocks and come back for more. It's easier on my end that way. My business model is essentially to finance the rise and stability of the market, while offloading stock to traders at discount rates so everyone makes isk

So I sold {The Jewels of your Desire} as I called it, in the bulk trade mailing list. It reaches a wide audience and allows me to effectively explain pricing, discounts, sales, and package deals on a broad basis rather than a small spam in a trade channel. I never hid the fact that I was adjusting the market, it was quiet obvious. Couple weeks back I ran a sale stating anyone who bought over 500 units that day would know my move for the next day. The traders who did buy knew that the next day Target Painters would be worth 400k more, they made alot of isk

However on Sunday morning w3370pi4 the creator of the mailing list, and the legit trade channel decided that what I was doing is a scam and banned me.

The rule fundamental to the creation of this mailing list

This mailing list is based on the free market rule( like the economy in eve online ) so you are free to put any price tag you want on your items. . ( however i strongly recommend that you price them at least lower than the major market hub ( jita / amarr / dodixie / rens ) closest to your goods

The free market needs to be preserved. I have never scammed anyone, you ask for a product you get the product aswell as as much information I can give about the futures of that product. It's fundamental to keeping what I'm doing running. If you are going to tout a free market system, then you cannot cut out people whom you feel are charging a price you don't seem fit. It's contradictory

So this is what I'm asking of you, the reader. w3370pi4 is holding a vote to decide if Bulk Trade should be a free market, to allow people to charge what they see fit. I need you to vote yes in favor of me. A simple mail containing "yes for free trade" to w3370pi4

Thanks.

market manipulator uses bulk trade mailing list to offload stocks and gets banned, tries to get rules changed.

No, market manipulator uses bulk trade mailing list to offload stocks and gets banned. But for a reason that was never a rule. And is a contradiction of what the whole purpose of the channel is supposed to be. A free market.

Eh, I've been banned several times from both legit trade and bulk trade. The fact of the matter is that w3370pi4 , the "operator" of the channels,is an absolute **** on a power trip. Moreover, he is offensively shortsighted and inarticulate. Eve would be a lot better off if he were removed from power, either directly or by proxy.

Ps, I'm on board with OP's belief that his conduct was not "scammy."

Otherwise, what do you call the plethora of people selling massive stacks of modules in Jita 4--4 for mere pennies below the current sell price, and thus impossible to turn any sort of profit?

-L

:qq:

Calling it a scam might be a bit too harsh, but you aren't adding much value to the mailing list either when advertising stuff at twice the usual price. It isn't that hard to grasp that the readers can do without such great offers. Come on..

Anyway, sorry to hear the sad news. I kind of enjoyed "supplementing" your stock once in a while. Selling you overpriced merchandize made me giggle like a little girl.

This wasn't interesting then.
This isn't interesting now.

It's a free service; if you don't like it, don't use it. Or start your own.

It is a free service based on the free market. I do like it, and would like to continue using it. That is why there's a vote, and that is why I'm pitching you my position for your vote.

If you don't find it interesting, then simply don't read. I gave no "tldr" for a reason.


And thankyou king o7

You knowingly facilitated botters and isk sellers.

If you think you can get away with this without consequence you are dead wrong.
Petitioned ingame.

That was an interesting piece of reading.