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New Dev Blog: Carebearing 2.0

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Eclipse Industrials
Quantum Forge
#81 - 2012-04-10 15:53:14 UTC
Andrea Griffin wrote:
I really do think that drone alloys gave the drones something unique and different than the rest of Eve's PvE enemies. Giving them bounties doesn't make the space unique or interesting or worth fighting over. It's boring and stale and uninteresting

I understand the effect on mining which is why I propose a different change

What about the drones dropping components required for T2 drone production - and that was the only way to get them

This gives them more flavor, something other than a bounty, and makes the nullsec drone regions something valuable and worth fighting over. The alliances that control T2 drone production could end up quite wealthy. It also doesn't create an additional isk faucet like the bounty change will create.

I like this! ISK faucet (like everywhere else), but no longer a mineral faucet (like everywhere else), and something unique worth fighting over!
Alx Warlord
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#82 - 2012-04-10 15:55:33 UTC
TheButcherPete wrote:
Chalk Inferno up as a failure, CCP will change too much too quickly. Unless... they add something that completely fixes the stuff they're about to **** over.


This change was pointed by CSM in the last meeting, so it is the community voice that is supporting this changes. It was needed...

I'm really sorry for you living in the drone region, now you will rat for isk, not for minerals, so you will buy minerals with isk, from the miners... and the game will be to you as it is for everyone else... so give them some love... the more miners there is the less isk you will need to pay for your minerals...
Atum
Eclipse Industrials
Quantum Forge
#83 - 2012-04-10 15:56:55 UTC
CCP Affinity wrote:
Tsubutai wrote:
Does this mean that killing rogue drones will also increase security status now?



At the moment rogue drones function exactly as before - so no sec status increase, however, we might look into this at a later point.

Given that *every* NPC faction HATES drones (except maybe Sansha, but that's because he's, well, a couple fries short of a Happy Meal), it would make sense to give a factional boost (but not security) for killing them. Also a potential conflict driver for the drone regions.
Il Feytid
State War Academy
Caldari State
#84 - 2012-04-10 15:57:45 UTC
Blakslabeth wrote:
So the summary is:

#1 More expensive ships
#2 Less ability to make isk in incursions
#3 If you live in the drone region your true sec now sucks.

Hard to get excited about 3 nerfs in one blog.


Don't listen to cry babies like this guy CCP. Those are great changes! Keep up the good work! Big smile
TheSwelk
Benevolent Dictatorship
#85 - 2012-04-10 15:57:48 UTC
I'm not the only one to ask, but will drones now drop modules? Or anything? Will they all have empty wrecks? If they don't drop some kind of loot they'll still be less rewarding than shooting pirates (at least for those of us who have an alt in a Noctis following behind to salvage). About 11% less than pirates rewarding according to pre-nerf numbers anyway; I'd guess about 7% less than pirates afterward the loot nerf based on my records.
Danny theDog
Sheldon's Fan Club
#86 - 2012-04-10 15:58:38 UTC
So is ther some faction/office etc loot able to drop with drones? if so what?! =D

if not *epic sadface*
corestwo
Goonfleet Investment Banking
#87 - 2012-04-10 15:59:03 UTC
CCP Affinity wrote:
Tsubutai wrote:
Does this mean that killing rogue drones will also increase security status now?



At the moment rogue drones function exactly as before - so no sec status increase, however, we might look into this at a later point.


Will rogue drones have officer and faction spawns and if so do we know what kind of loot they'll be dropping?


Please answer this so I can decide if I need to get a larger chalice to collect drone region resident tears in. Lol

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CCP Affinity
C C P
C C P Alliance
#88 - 2012-04-10 15:59:18 UTC
Penelope Star wrote:
CCP Affinity wears the cutest shoes, and thus can do no wrong in my eyes Smile

I used to love collecting those rogue drones alloys but sizeable bounties sound good too.



aww thanks :3

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DarkAegix
Center for Advanced Studies
Gallente Federation
#89 - 2012-04-10 16:01:11 UTC
Excellent changes!
Ancy Denaries
Frontier Venture
#90 - 2012-04-10 16:08:19 UTC
Alec Freeman wrote:
Hm. Wonder how long it is too 500m battleships and we all start fighting in T1 cruisers / frigs like the good old days.

This would actually not be a bad thing.

"Shoot at anything that moves. If it doesn't move, shoot it anyway, it might move later."

"Do not be too positive. The light at the end of the tunnel could be a train." - Franz Kafka

Katy Ling
Crimnson Concept Flame
#91 - 2012-04-10 16:10:06 UTC
-10% on the pay out of vangs are not so bad but Assaults would still need a boost, maybe of 10% on the pay out.

the bigger dificulty from Assaults to vangs, isn't actually the site, but the need for more people to remain for the duration of the sites, managing 20 people instead of 10, gives +10 chances to have to stop for replace grid spots.
especially with that assault Nation Consolidation Network, where you have a bunch of rooms and makes it take so long (and those sites spawn more often) it ends up being a terrible boredom task, compared with other sites.


Rogue Drones Bounty ... makes perfectly sense as they are a big threat to everyone in the game lore, and they had a bounty at some point (bounty of 0), but was removed ... but what will they drop ? someone suggested components for T2 drones ... it's interesting, but i don't think they should be the only way to get those components, after all, rogue drones are infected normal drones.


drones compound nerf ... rats loot nerf ... why isn't a solution to make shooting and looting npc's in to something fun and profitable, without colliding with mining, and still be at the level of other activity's ?
consider droop loot of useful things, that players can be happy to find.

i remember watching a video of a free online RPG game where an adventurer would proceed on the field vanquishing NPC's and one dropped the axe and the adventurer catch the axe and equipped it, because it was a better gun.
at that point, my first feeling was : "Me has to have Axe !" - then i realised i didn't even liked the game, to start with.
- my point with this little example ? -
it is very fun to loot useful things from npc's, that can improve you're combat performance (weapon / ammo / booster/ nanite paste)

yet, in eve, npc's tend to drop useless modules, that you only refine and remove some of the minerals needed

why some of those npc's don't drop some boosters that increase you're "damage" by +1% for 10 - 30 minutes, for example ?
or something else useful ?

because, until now, i only noticed solutions that included nerfing the bountys and drops of npc's until it was no longer fun or profitable, to waste time shooting and looting npc's.
Amaya Ishii
Republic Military School
Minmatar Republic
#92 - 2012-04-10 16:10:50 UTC
Will the alloys be gone for good (i. e., no chance of drop whatsoever)? Will you remove all the alloys from the game when the Escalation patch rolls out?
Paddlefoot Aeon
University of Caille
Gallente Federation
#93 - 2012-04-10 16:11:27 UTC
I remember a time, quite a while ago, actually, before the drone regions existed.

I was a much younger pilot then, happy to have just qualified for a covetor, yet unable to afford the 550mil price tag for a hulk.

I was living in Dekline at the time, and my corp/alliance was using the Crokite in the area to help pay the bills. Zydrine was at 3400/unit, and once the corp took its 15% refining cut, anything you mined was yours.

I remember jumping into my brand new Helios, packing it full of Zydrine, and running it down to Jita. I made over $150 million per trip, which was big money back then.

The the drone regions came out, and the prices of Zydrine and Megacyte went into the toilet.

I fully support the drone region changes... just as fully as I DESPISED their initial addition. CCP destroyed the high-ends market years ago, and I'm glad to see they are fixing it now!
fenistil
Federal Navy Academy
Gallente Federation
#94 - 2012-04-10 16:11:35 UTC
CCP Affinity,

What predictions do you think it will have on mineral prices?
There are a lot of minerals coming from drone regions to empire.
If drone regions will not supply the minerals any longer, and the demand stays the same, I guess it is safe to assume the mineral prices will increase?
It would be an interesting thing to know what % of all minerals are being supplied by drone regions now.

.

Vaerah Vahrokha
Vahrokh Consulting
#95 - 2012-04-10 16:12:22 UTC
Ancy Denaries wrote:
Alec Freeman wrote:
Hm. Wonder how long it is too 500m battleships and we all start fighting in T1 cruisers / frigs like the good old days.

This would actually not be a bad thing.


In fact this is a GREAT boost to newbies.

CCP can go advertise around how even in their 9 years old MMO a new player can get up to competitive levels instead of being doomed to be grinded by grandpa aged pilots.
Suleiman Shouaa
The Tuskers
The Tuskers Co.
#96 - 2012-04-10 16:13:02 UTC
Dev Blog wrote:
In 2011, CCP Bettik decided to make it his personal mission to fill in the gaps in deadspace content. In Crucible 1.5, released on 13th March 2012, he added 3 more deadspace sites, bringing us to a point where we now have all 1/10 to 10/10 pirate deadspace sites in game, bringing this project close to completion.


Emphasis mine. I have yet to see a Serpentis 6/10 complex, can you please confirm that they exist.
CCP Affinity
C C P
C C P Alliance
#97 - 2012-04-10 16:15:02 UTC
Visreae wrote:
Oh and thanks for not answering peoples question in the forums, I think its swell that you can start a thread and then ignore the conversation that arises, really.



Do you think in the future, before you make these changes, you could post your intentions and thoughts and get our feedback BEFORE you wreck an economy?




I'm getting around to the questions ;) patience...

and we did have forum threads, CSM feedback + fanfest feedback

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Jeicam Mmis
BEEFCO.
#98 - 2012-04-10 16:22:34 UTC  |  Edited by: Jeicam Mmis
will killing drones bump security status?

edit, nvm, answered on P4 ("no")
Katy Ling
Crimnson Concept Flame
#99 - 2012-04-10 16:23:24 UTC
Gizan wrote:
CCP Affinity wrote:
Blakslabeth wrote:
So the summary is:

#1 More expensive ships
#2 Less ability to make isk in incursions
#3 If you live in the drone region your true sec now sucks.

Hard to get excited about 3 nerfs in one blog.



but.. think of the miners dude! They need love too <3



I recent news, all exhumers have been removed from the market because 99.95% if them have been suicide ganked because they SUCK at tanking anything including ships 1/10000th their cost.



good point ! it is ridiculous such a expensive ship can't tank s**t +1

Nirnaeth Ornoediad
GoonWaffe
Goonswarm Federation
#100 - 2012-04-10 16:23:54 UTC
Does anybody else find it ironic that IRC will now hold the best space in the Drone Lands? "The best of the worst", as they say...

Fix POSes.  Every player should want one (even if all players can't have one).