Player Features and Ideas Discussion

Titans have guns and other high slot modules, and superweapons, and jump portal generators. I'm suggesting a ship that doesn't have any of that but is still difficult to move around. I don't see how it's overpowered.

Haulers need to come in small, medium, and large sizes.

Miners, too.

To answer some questions that never got answers.

Yes an Orca can run any ganglink you want. I know someone that uses one as a PVP booster sometimes.

A vulture can run 3 gang links at once no problem. I have one that runs 5 ganglinks at the same time.

A freighter can already haul a rigged battleship. You just have to set up a Currier contract for the rigged ship. Then the person hauling it places the crate in the cargo hold of the freighter. Your not going to haul much else with it though.

I would much rather see some kind of T2 Orca that can fit at least one Tier 3 BS in its hangar array, has slightly better stats, and can use 5 heavy drones at once then some form of smaller freighter.

Also, if your jumping around lowsec to a drop off or pickup point and want some extra security, use a Carrier. As for gallenti being the best haulers, its been that way for awhile. You have the Itty 5 wich is awesome, and the Obbie has the highest EHP and one of the largest cargo holds.

I use an Orca as a hauler whenever its too much for the itty 5 all the time.

Actually it's more like this:
I'm in the business of moving dirt. I start with a little dump truck, and move my way up to bigger dump trucks, until I'm driving one of those ones that hogs both lanes at once: http://dumpstruck.com/wp-content/uploads/2012/05/Dump-Truck1.jpg

My business moves along smoothly, but I just can't find a bigger truck! Finally, after years of searching to no avail, a German company called Krupp contacts me and tells me they want to sell me a Bagger 288: http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/6/6a/Bagger-garzweiler.jpg

After seeing the price tag on that, as well as the manpower and skill requirements just to operate it, I tell them it's a bit out of my price range (that's an understatement!)

So, I finally sketch up a blueprint of what my business needs to move dirt to the next level, and show it to a vehicle manufacturing company. It looks something like this: http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/8/8f/Conventional_18-wheeler_truck_diagram.PNG

They laugh at me! "What possible use could you have for that?" they ask me, snickering impetuously. "If you want to move that amount of dirt," one of them pipes up, "then why don't you just get one of these to do it with?" http://www.aerospaceguide.net/spacepictures/shuttle_endeavour.jpg
"That'll carry about the same amount you're trying to carry! Why make a new vehicle when there's a perfectly good vehicle already at your disposal?"

"Or howabout one of these," another one chimed in, "which are smaller than that Bagger 288 you couldn't afford?" http://www.pcdesktopwallpaper.com/albums/wallpapers-ships/Oil-Tanker-002.jpg

"We're sorry, we just don't understand how you could possibly find use for that 18-wheeler contraption you came up with when you have so many other great options to choose from!"

My vision Mini-Freighter:
1. Cargo 60 -150k m3. 2-3 times more T1 Transport and 2-3 less Freighter or Jump Freighter.
2. Skill - as Freighter, may be Freighter III.
3. Agility and speed - Less Transport Ship and more Freighter.
4. Fitting - not fitting

continuing from other discussion...


mini freighter thats cheaper is fine

mini freighter with fitting options, battleship tank, and all the other bells an whistles is not so fine without orca-like training

something i mentioned in the other discussion was that a tier system may still work when it comes to freighters because their cost is still a significant factor when it comes to selection (or would be if there was a cheaper one)

It really only needs to be big enough to carry one general freight container. That'll place it comfortably between industrials and freighters. I actually feel like there is enough room for two or three size classes in between them, but I'll take what I can get.

I have a hauling alt that is trained for freighter and an Orca. I wanted to do this because I'd rather AFK boost mining ops than mine. However, even so I would love to have a mid range freighter for my trader alt. The Charon is nice but it makes me sad when I undock with 150k m3 and know I have to deal with Charon speeds to get things moved. I think anywhere from 150k - 300k m3, 1/2 or 2/3 the EHP of a freighter, 35% - 50% more agility than a freighter, 50% the cost of a freighter and yet requiring the same skill path would be awesome. Maybe even make it take a separate, cheaper, faster training, skill as a freighter but with the same pre-requisites? I honestly think that would be amazing.


Maybe we could call the ship a Caravan and require a skill like "Caldari Caravan." Give it the exact same bonuses as a freighter, maybe an EHP bonus but that might be too far. Just have it have base numbers to reflect the size. I am wondering if it should require/be affected by "Advanced Spaceship Command" or just require "Spaceship Command" to 5.

Yeah, I actually only said that because I thought freighters got an agility bonus form the freighter skill. However, it is a velocity bonus. I was just afraid (in my original and flawed thought process) that ASC would give it too much agility. However, now that I double checked myself I do in fact agree ASC should be required and have an effect.