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Destroyer vs 325mil is balanced.
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Liang Nuren
No Salvation
Divine Damnation
#21 - 2012-04-09 21:20:01 UTC  |  Edited by: Liang Nuren
Stop mining in high sec if this bothers you.

-Liang

Ed: Also, how often do you get ganked? Could you take preventative action by mining in anoms, missions, or a less populated area of high sec (Aridia? Genesis? Solitude?)

I'm an idiot, don't mind me.
Garnoo
Eternity INC.
Goonswarm Federation
#22 - 2012-04-09 21:20:53 UTC
A pigeon vs carpet is balanced too.

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Avila Cracko
#23 - 2012-04-09 21:23:09 UTC  |  Edited by: Avila Cracko
Vertisce Soritenshi wrote:
If a Destroyer is killing your Hulk before CONCORD came and killed him, you are doing something wrong. Either your Hulk fit is crap or you aren't paying attention to your game and deserve to die. So...yes...Destroyer vs 325mil is in fact, balanced.


If you fit your Hulk for EHP and not max yield you will still die from one Tornado.
That's not balanced at all.
If you fit your hulk with shield rigs, shield buffer mids and one Damage Controls in low you should be safe from ganking.

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Malcanis
Vanishing Point.
The Initiative.
#24 - 2012-04-09 21:23:20 UTC
Dbars Grinding wrote:
This is clearly fair.


It becomes "fair" the instant you undock a 325m ship that can't tank a single destroyer.

Assuming you mean a hulk, its not at all difficult to fit it to resist a destroyer

"Just remember later that I warned against any change to jump ranges or fatigue. You earned whats coming."

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Vaerah Vahrokha
Vahrokh Consulting
#25 - 2012-04-09 21:24:22 UTC
Kneebone wrote:
Mining in a 0.5 system with an active tank full of faction mods will attract the wrong kind of people at some point.

But yeah, 18Mil for two gank blaster Catalysts capable of 500+ DPS each is pushing the envelope a bit. Mackinaws can be done with one dessie these days. Of course the smart ones don't mine in obvious places like belts...


Yeah smart macks pilots always mine well away off belts. Blink

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Malcanis
Vanishing Point.
The Initiative.
#26 - 2012-04-09 21:24:56 UTC  |  Edited by: Malcanis
Avila Cracko wrote:
Vertisce Soritenshi wrote:
If a Destroyer is killing your Hulk before CONCORD came and killed him, you are doing something wrong. Either your Hulk fit is crap or you aren't paying attention to your game and deserve to die. So...yes...Destroyer vs 325mil is in fact, balanced.


If you fit your Hulk for EHP and not max yield you can you will still die from one Tornado.
That's not balanced at all.
If you fit your hulk with shield rigs, shield buffer mids and one Damage Controls in low you should be safe for ganking.


A full tank fitted hulk can have something like 33k ehp

Edit: 32k before gang bonuses, 34.5 with basic leadership, 37k if you put a shield harmonizing warfare link on your orca.

"Just remember later that I warned against any change to jump ranges or fatigue. You earned whats coming."

Grath Telkin, 11.10.2016
Avila Cracko
#27 - 2012-04-09 21:25:53 UTC
Malcanis wrote:
Avila Cracko wrote:
Vertisce Soritenshi wrote:
If a Destroyer is killing your Hulk before CONCORD came and killed him, you are doing something wrong. Either your Hulk fit is crap or you aren't paying attention to your game and deserve to die. So...yes...Destroyer vs 325mil is in fact, balanced.


If you fit your Hulk for EHP and not max yield you can you will still die from one Tornado.
That's not balanced at all.
If you fit your hulk with shield rigs, shield buffer mids and one Damage Controls in low you should be safe for ganking.


A full tank fitted hulk can have something like 33k ehp


Please, please, please give mi that fit... Roll
subtract like 10k and you have your number.

truth, the whole truth and nothing but the truth.
Lanasak
Doomheim
#28 - 2012-04-09 21:26:21 UTC
i take it the OP wants an "isk tank"

lol
Dbars Grinding
Center for Advanced Studies
Gallente Federation
#29 - 2012-04-09 21:27:16 UTC
Liang Nuren wrote:
Stop mining in high sec if this bothers you.

-Liang

Ed: Also, how often do you get ganked? Could you take preventative action by mining in anoms, missions, or a less populated area of high sec (Aridia? Genesis? Solitude?)




meh first time. funny thing is it was in one of those dead regions in a dead end system. with no fkin station.

I have more space likes than you. 
Ranger 1
Ranger Corp
Vae. Victis.
#30 - 2012-04-09 21:37:41 UTC
Dbars Grinding wrote:
Liang Nuren wrote:
Stop mining in high sec if this bothers you.

-Liang

Ed: Also, how often do you get ganked? Could you take preventative action by mining in anoms, missions, or a less populated area of high sec (Aridia? Genesis? Solitude?)




meh first time. funny thing is it was in one of those dead regions in a dead end system. with no fkin station.


Then how in gods name were you taken by surprise?

If you are flying any vulnerable non-combat ship your best defense is to simply make sure you aren't there when the combat ships arrive.

You have local, you have D-Scan, you have a standings system, and you have the ability to join or form intel channels that track and give people a heads up when a known ganker comes into system.

If you have to rely on your tank, you've already put yourself at a huge disadvantage.

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lanyaie
Nocturnal Romance
Cynosural Field Theory.
#31 - 2012-04-09 21:38:13 UTC
So holdd on you're saying my supercarrie should not be able to get killed by anything worth less then about 20b? SWEEEEEEET I want ccp to implent a patch now

Spaceprincess

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Malcanis
Vanishing Point.
The Initiative.
#32 - 2012-04-09 21:38:59 UTC
Avila Cracko wrote:
Malcanis wrote:
Avila Cracko wrote:
Vertisce Soritenshi wrote:
If a Destroyer is killing your Hulk before CONCORD came and killed him, you are doing something wrong. Either your Hulk fit is crap or you aren't paying attention to your game and deserve to die. So...yes...Destroyer vs 325mil is in fact, balanced.


If you fit your Hulk for EHP and not max yield you can you will still die from one Tornado.
That's not balanced at all.
If you fit your hulk with shield rigs, shield buffer mids and one Damage Controls in low you should be safe for ganking.


A full tank fitted hulk can have something like 33k ehp


Please, please, please give mi that fit... Roll
subtract like 10k and you have your number.


My pleasure.
3 t2 strips
Meta 4 MSE, 2x T2 Invulns, t2 em resist amp
T2 DCU, T2 MAPC
2 X CFDEs

My EFT shows 36933 Ehp vs omni damage type with the orca having a mining mindlink, worst is vs thermal. You get 39651 if you give the orca pilot a shield mindlink but then you might a well use a vulture

A boosting tengu takes it to 42788....

"Just remember later that I warned against any change to jump ranges or fatigue. You earned whats coming."

Grath Telkin, 11.10.2016
Malcanis
Vanishing Point.
The Initiative.
#33 - 2012-04-09 21:42:44 UTC
Btw did you know that 1400mm arty has truly atrocious tracking? Try orbiting your can at 2500m or so. It makes a surprising difference.

"Just remember later that I warned against any change to jump ranges or fatigue. You earned whats coming."

Grath Telkin, 11.10.2016
Dbars Grinding
Center for Advanced Studies
Gallente Federation
#34 - 2012-04-09 21:44:33 UTC
fk it. canceled my sub.

I have more space likes than you. 
Karl Hobb
Imperial Margarine
#35 - 2012-04-09 21:46:41 UTC
Dbars Grinding wrote:
fk it. canceled my sub.

\o/

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Lyron-Baktos
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#36 - 2012-04-09 21:48:17 UTC
Get a friend or two to escort you while you mine. One decent battlecruiser probably would have scared off the attackers or at least possibly give you a bit of time to make your escape.
Ranger 1
Ranger Corp
Vae. Victis.
#37 - 2012-04-09 21:53:48 UTC
Malcanis wrote:
Btw did you know that 1400mm arty has truly atrocious tracking? Try orbiting your can at 2500m or so. It makes a surprising difference.


Very true and a good point when dealing with Tornado's.

Personally I think I'd prefer to be aligned at 3/4 speed to one of two roughly opposite celestials (preferably stations) while monitoring D Scan.

The better mining equipment has a longer range for reasons other than making it easier to stay together for your hauler or Orca.

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Avila Cracko
#38 - 2012-04-09 21:54:59 UTC  |  Edited by: Avila Cracko
Malcanis wrote:
Avila Cracko wrote:
Malcanis wrote:
Avila Cracko wrote:
Vertisce Soritenshi wrote:
If a Destroyer is killing your Hulk before CONCORD came and killed him, you are doing something wrong. Either your Hulk fit is crap or you aren't paying attention to your game and deserve to die. So...yes...Destroyer vs 325mil is in fact, balanced.


If you fit your Hulk for EHP and not max yield you can you will still die from one Tornado.
That's not balanced at all.
If you fit your hulk with shield rigs, shield buffer mids and one Damage Controls in low you should be safe for ganking.


A full tank fitted hulk can have something like 33k ehp


Please, please, please give mi that fit... Roll
subtract like 10k and you have your number.


My pleasure.
3 t2 strips
Meta 4 MSE, 2x T2 Invulns, t2 em resist amp
T2 DCU, T2 MAPC
2 X CFDEs

My EFT shows 36933 Ehp vs omni damage type with the orca having a mining mindlink, worst is vs thermal. You get 39651 if you give the orca pilot a shield mindlink but then you might a well use a vulture

A boosting tengu takes it to 42788....



Well... all i can say thnx man.
But... thats a "little" $$$$$$$$$ fit and "little" skill intensive to fit...

truth, the whole truth and nothing but the truth.
Lanasak
Doomheim
#39 - 2012-04-09 21:56:10 UTC
Ranger 1 wrote:
Malcanis wrote:
Btw did you know that 1400mm arty has truly atrocious tracking? Try orbiting your can at 2500m or so. It makes a surprising difference.


Very true and a good point when dealing with Tornado's.

Personally I think I'd prefer to be aligned at 3/4 speed to one of two roughly opposite celestials (preferably stations) while monitoring D Scan.

The better mining equipment has a longer range for reasons other than making it easier to stay together for your hauler or Orca.


I've told miners to do that before, on these same forums, and they come up with crap like "BUT I AFK MINE"

~not getting the point~
Malcanis
Vanishing Point.
The Initiative.
#40 - 2012-04-09 21:56:33 UTC
[quote=Dbars Grinding]fk it. canceled my sub. [/quote

You'd rather quit than try a different fit?

"Just remember later that I warned against any change to jump ranges or fatigue. You earned whats coming."

Grath Telkin, 11.10.2016