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Sonny Dang
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#1 - 2012-04-09 19:59:48 UTC
Why is the price of all ships suddenly so damn highQuestion

I get why the price of T3 BCs are going up but the rest?

Hyperion used to be 175m now it is 250m?
Myrm used to be 40m now 57m?
etc. (all based on Jita price)

How long do you think this price spike in ships is going to last?
Sonny Dang
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#2 - 2012-04-09 20:01:05 UTC
I heard this is the result of the speculation in prices of mineral. Is it true?
Arzaiuc
Deep Core Mining Inc.
Caldari State
#3 - 2012-04-09 20:04:47 UTC
Sonny Dang wrote:
I heard this is the result of the speculation in prices of mineral. Is it true?


You answered your own question.
Drew Solaert
Aliastra
Gallente Federation
#4 - 2012-04-09 20:09:04 UTC
Basically in a nutshell we have 3 major factors pushing up mineral prices right now

The first was the massive bot bannings, which lowered the mineral supply somewhat.

The second is the April 24th patch removing drone alloys and meta 0 modules, and because of this a lot of people have been bulk buying minerals in speculation

The final factor is Hulkageddon V is coming, normally wouldn't have too much of an impact on the run up, but with the other two points, we have a kind of perfect storm situation going on.

I lied :o
Sonny Dang
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#5 - 2012-04-09 20:14:25 UTC
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The first was the massive bot bannings, which lowered the mineral supply somewhat.


What is this exactly? I've never heard of this.
Kneebone
K-H Light Industries
#6 - 2012-04-09 20:46:20 UTC
Sonny Dang wrote:
Quote:
The first was the massive bot bannings, which lowered the mineral supply somewhat.


What is this exactly? I've never heard of this.


BOT Ban = CCP going ape sh%t on a bunch of macro miner accounts and removing a ton of supply and ISK from the game including a large number of PLEX tied into these accounts. (I wont get into the rammifications of banning people using time already bought and paid for, but they have the vale of it being an in game item)

Eve being what it is reacts with the hive mind. Right now the market is in "futures" mode where people are betting on what the price will be. The biggest impact will be on Zydrine, Nocxium, Megacyte, and Moprhite. These are not readily available in highsec and a big source of them was the drone regions. Bascially CCP is tossing miners and indy people a bone, but the people controlling the market are making a killing right now. (Myself included)

There was also an issue with an item still being in the game that yielded Nocxium. The item was exposed and removed. Those aware of this would profit whenever Nox got to a certain price.
Sonny Dang
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#7 - 2012-04-09 20:54:55 UTC
Kneebone wrote:
Sonny Dang wrote:
Quote:
The first was the massive bot bannings, which lowered the mineral supply somewhat.


What is this exactly? I've never heard of this.


BOT Ban = CCP going ape sh%t on a bunch of macro miner accounts and removing a ton of supply and ISK from the game including a large number of PLEX tied into these accounts. (I wont get into the rammifications of banning people using time already bought and paid for, but they have the vale of it being an in game item)

Eve being what it is reacts with the hive mind. Right now the market is in "futures" mode where people are betting on what the price will be. The biggest impact will be on Zydrine, Nocxium, Megacyte, and Moprhite. These are not readily available in highsec and a big source of them was the drone regions. Bascially CCP is tossing miners and indy people a bone, but the people controlling the market are making a killing right now. (Myself included)

There was also an issue with an item still being in the game that yielded Nocxium. The item was exposed and removed. Those aware of this would profit whenever Nox got to a certain price.


Judging by the term "bot" I assume that these players mine passively 24/7?
Kneebone
K-H Light Industries
#8 - 2012-04-09 21:00:36 UTC
Sonny Dang wrote:
Kneebone wrote:
Sonny Dang wrote:
Quote:
The first was the massive bot bannings, which lowered the mineral supply somewhat.


What is this exactly? I've never heard of this.


BOT Ban = CCP going ape sh%t on a bunch of macro miner accounts and removing a ton of supply and ISK from the game including a large number of PLEX tied into these accounts. (I wont get into the rammifications of banning people using time already bought and paid for, but they have the vale of it being an in game item)

Eve being what it is reacts with the hive mind. Right now the market is in "futures" mode where people are betting on what the price will be. The biggest impact will be on Zydrine, Nocxium, Megacyte, and Moprhite. These are not readily available in highsec and a big source of them was the drone regions. Bascially CCP is tossing miners and indy people a bone, but the people controlling the market are making a killing right now. (Myself included)

There was also an issue with an item still being in the game that yielded Nocxium. The item was exposed and removed. Those aware of this would profit whenever Nox got to a certain price.


Judging by the term "bot" I assume that these players mine passively 24/7?


23/7 and yes.
Sonny Dang
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#9 - 2012-04-09 21:12:02 UTC
Quote:
23/7 and yes.

I see what you did there :))

Anyways, I don't see how that could be considered 'illegal'. I see no difference between afk mining and mining while staring into the screen. But CCP decision :/

Anyways, do you think the market will ever stabilize back to what it used to be? Or is this gonna be the mark of a new economic era?
mxzf
Shovel Bros
#10 - 2012-04-09 21:15:05 UTC
Sonny Dang wrote:
Quote:
23/7 and yes.

I see what you did there :))

Anyways, I don't see how that could be considered 'illegal'. I see no difference between afk mining and mining while staring into the screen. But CCP decision :/

Anyways, do you think the market will ever stabilize back to what it used to be? Or is this gonna be the mark of a new economic era?


The issue isn't the difference between AFK mining and mining while sitting at your comp, the issue is the difference between mining yourself and coming back from work to find that your dozen mining bots have mined all day for you.
Kneebone
K-H Light Industries
#11 - 2012-04-09 21:16:20 UTC
Sonny Dang wrote:
Quote:
23/7 and yes.

I see what you did there :))

Anyways, I don't see how that could be considered 'illegal'. I see no difference between afk mining and mining while staring into the screen. But CCP decision :/

Anyways, do you think the market will ever stabilize back to what it used to be? Or is this gonna be the mark of a new economic era?


You don't need to be at your PC to macro mine. It is not the same as AFK mining. It is illegal to use 3rd party programs to automate in game actions. A simple Macro recording program and a few well placed bookmarks is all you needed. The more advanced macros could even react to being target locked.
Manar Detri
#12 - 2012-04-09 21:16:55 UTC  |  Edited by: Manar Detri
Either you're a bad troll or eve uni teaches nothing.

Bots are softwares made to in different ways to detect whats going on in the client and proceed to give the client commands most suited (in it's code) to the situation. This means a program does the playing in short
Aurelius Valentius
Valentius Corporation
Valentius Corporation Alliance
#13 - 2012-04-10 00:57:28 UTC  |  Edited by: Aurelius Valentius
Welcome to the real EVE where you have to work for what you have... no more freebies.

"What we obtain too cheap, we esteem too lightly; it is dearness only that gives everything its value."

-Thomas Paine

The market is starting to adjust to the fact that bots killed PC mining, people dropped it due to a lack of making ISK, and the economy went into hyper-deflation a while ago, now with that "cheap and easy" ISK and minerals gone, the inflation is now setting things to where they will be until the demand is met with supply, but I don't see that coming in short term, it is going to take people more ISK (work) to get into that and time is always the factor to rebuild the miner/production side of things... I say maybe if things keep going up that it should draw enough people in by winter at the earliest, "Burn Jita/HAG5" not withstanding.

We shall see what happens, it should be interesting to say the least, if the minerals go up I may actuall start to mine again - haven't touched a rock in 8 months...
Daniel Plain
Doomheim
#14 - 2012-04-10 01:52:55 UTC
right now, a lone hulk can still only get to about 10mil/h, on the other side, the low/null ores are actually becoming a lot more lucrative again.

I should buy an Ishtar.
Sonny Dang
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#15 - 2012-04-10 13:28:06 UTC  |  Edited by: Sonny Dang
Aurelius Valentius wrote:
Welcome to the real EVE where you have to work for what you have... no more freebies.

"What we obtain too cheap, we esteem too lightly; it is dearness only that gives everything its value."

-Thomas Paine

The market is starting to adjust to the fact that bots killed PC mining, people dropped it due to a lack of making ISK, and the economy went into hyper-deflation a while ago, now with that "cheap and easy" ISK and minerals gone, the inflation is now setting things to where they will be until the demand is met with supply, but I don't see that coming in short term, it is going to take people more ISK (work) to get into that and time is always the factor to rebuild the miner/production side of things... I say maybe if things keep going up that it should draw enough people in by winter at the earliest, "Burn Jita/HAG5" not withstanding.

We shall see what happens, it should be interesting to say the least, if the minerals go up I may actuall start to mine again - haven't touched a rock in 8 months...


Please tell me how much you enjoy buying ships at high price :))
I'm sure everyone secretly likes how ship prices used to be.

But yeah, I don't mind a period of high inflation rate just so that miners can enjoy its benefits. After all we wouldn't have this much output without them. Miners deserve this.

Hopefully by the time I come back to eve in 2 months time, everything will be stabilized.
Roime
Mea Culpa.
Shadow Cartel
#16 - 2012-04-10 13:43:58 UTC
Without any stats to prove my gut feeling, I'd guess one reason to rising prices is also renewed interest in flying spaceships- general demand has gone up and the supply has not yet caught up.

In any case the margins are better, which would support my theory.

I like higher ship prices. In theory, it would tame the power creep and make small, cheap ships more common, making PVP more accessible to newer players. Yes, frigs & cruisers would be more expensive for noobs, but at least they would have the skills to fly the same ships as others.

Currently BC seems to be the minimal standard, I would like to see cruisers as the new line ship in smaller fleets.

I also like higher ship prices for personal wallet reasons Cool

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Vain Eldritch
State War Academy
Caldari State
#17 - 2012-04-10 13:51:49 UTC  |  Edited by: Vain Eldritch
Aurelius Valentius wrote:
now with that "cheap and easy" ISK and minerals gone ..


Yes, but for how long? It took CCP long enough to swing the ban hammer this time.

There's an arms race between botters and developers, but in EVE the player-run economy makes the stakes that much higher.

Later in this thread the OP posted that he's be back in 2 months after which time things may have stabilized... a lot can happen in two months.

Androgynous Caldari Cross-dresser
Sonny Dang
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#18 - 2012-04-10 13:54:01 UTC
Roime wrote:
Without any stats to prove my gut feeling, I'd guess one reason to rising prices is also renewed interest in flying spaceships- general demand has gone up and the supply has not yet caught up.

In any case the margins are better, which would support my theory.

I like higher ship prices. In theory, it would tame the power creep and make small, cheap ships more common, making PVP more accessible to newer players. Yes, frigs & cruisers would be more expensive for noobs, but at least they would have the skills to fly the same ships as others.

Currently BC seems to be the minimal standard, I would like to see cruisers as the new line ship in smaller fleets.

I also like higher ship prices for personal wallet reasons Cool


I think higher ships prices is only gonna discourage new players from pvping and lure them into carebaring. With a lower price they will be more willing to attempt pvp and even if they lose their ships, they will be more willing to buy a new just because they will be more likely able to afford it.

And if you like higher prices just so you can burn isk in your wallet because you're rich then i have nothing to say.
Roime
Mea Culpa.
Shadow Cartel
#19 - 2012-04-10 14:21:14 UTC
I don't agree that ISK is the primary barrier to PVP, it's really not that hard to fund small-gang pvp. But flying the current T1 cruisers in a world dominated by T2 fitted BCs is more of an issue for a new player.

Sonny, I used to have a lot of cash in my wallet, but then I took an Inferno dev blog to the knee and bought ship BPOs and minerals.


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Sonny Dang
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#20 - 2012-04-10 14:35:08 UTC
Quote:
Sonny, I used to have a lot of cash in my wallet, but then I took an Inferno dev blog to the knee and bought ship BPOs and minerals.


Ahh ... ok :p
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