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players avoiding acceleration gates in static plexes

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yelworC
Garoun Investment Bank
Gallente Federation
#1 - 2012-04-08 10:26:20 UTC  |  Edited by: yelworC
I write this post in frustration with people who keep "acting smart" and avoid using acceleration gates in static plexes (I'm writing this specifically concerning Pith DED 2/10 plex). This is a well known exploit so I won't go into specifics of how it's done, I'll just say that most (if not every) static plex requires some sort of key or pass to enter it and the exploit allows the circumvention of this. I'll also say that the exploit does not involve any particular player skill or ingenuity - anyone can do it with a month old character.

Maybe 2 weeks ago I petitioned a player who was repeatedly using this exploit and I got a mail from the GM the following day stating that they will see into it, but due to privacy issues they can't reveal to me any specific steps they will take, and will now close the petition.

A week has passed, and the guy kept performing the same thing. Not only that, a few others also appeared doing the same thing. And this is an observation based on watching just 2 systems. So I posted the petition again, reporting the new guys (for 1 on them I'm pretty sure is just an alt of the first guy). Another week has passed and still nothing is happening. The new petitions are still open, I got no feedback whatsoever, and the guy(s) are still doing their routine.

So, I don't really care what CCP does to those players. Warn them, ban them, spank them, whatever. I don't seek punishment, it is irrelevant to me. I do seek however that they stop using the exploit, because I'm starting to feel stupid for playing by the rules.

I'd like to see a comment form a CCP GM regarding this post.

TY in advance.
Elsebeth Rhiannon
Gradient
Electus Matari
#2 - 2012-04-08 10:58:39 UTC  |  Edited by: Elsebeth Rhiannon
I would comment, but forum rules (http://wiki.eveonline.com/en/wiki/Forum_rules):

Quote:
9. Private communication between the Game Masters, Eve Team members, moderators and administrators of the forum and the forum users is not to be made public on these forums or by any other venue.

You are not permitted to publicize any private correspondence (including petitions) received from any of the aforementioned.

13. Do not post about bugs and exploits.

Bugs and exploits should be reported through the proper method by filing a report for our Quality Assurance department. You can find the form here. Discussions about unverified problems in the game can cause unnecessary panic in the community. When there is an issue the community needs to be aware of, we will make an official statement about it.
yelworC
Garoun Investment Bank
Gallente Federation
#3 - 2012-04-08 11:14:56 UTC
Elsebeth Rhiannon wrote:
I would comment, but forum rules (http://wiki.eveonline.com/en/wiki/Forum_rules):


I'm not discussing anything new or not known in terms of exploits, and regarding to communication with GM's made public, I'm rather pointing out the lack of it, not any specific, relevant subject of it.

However, if forum moderators are viewing this topic as braking the EULA, then please lock and/or delete it.
Garven Dreis
Deep Core Mining Inc.
Caldari State
#4 - 2012-04-08 11:59:01 UTC
Amazing, imagine if this was the response to the boomerang maneuver.

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yelworC
Garoun Investment Bank
Gallente Federation
#5 - 2012-04-08 12:06:21 UTC
Garven Dreis wrote:
Amazing, imagine if this was the response to the boomerang maneuver.


I'm not sure what exactly are you getting at mate?
Garven Dreis
Deep Core Mining Inc.
Caldari State
#6 - 2012-04-08 12:10:32 UTC
yelworC wrote:
Garven Dreis wrote:
Amazing, imagine if this was the response to the boomerang maneuver.


I'm not sure what exactly are you getting at mate?


It's not a slight against you at all.

I am getting at the massive response the 'Boomerang Maneuver' recieved from CCP, which was deemed illegal and resulted in a CONCORD mechanics change. You have been dealing with what appears to be an exploit for about a week, with constant petitioning, to no avail. I'd definitely like to hear from a GM whether this plex is working 'as intended' or if indeed this is an exploit.

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StonerPhReaK
Herb Men
#7 - 2012-04-08 12:29:48 UTC
How do you know they dont have keys?

Signatures wer cooler when we couldn't remove them completely.

Garven Dreis
Deep Core Mining Inc.
Caldari State
#8 - 2012-04-08 12:32:53 UTC
You can buy passkeys and crap like that, can't you?

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yelworC
Garoun Investment Bank
Gallente Federation
#9 - 2012-04-08 12:40:50 UTC
Garven Dreis wrote:
yelworC wrote:
Garven Dreis wrote:
Amazing, imagine if this was the response to the boomerang maneuver.


I'm not sure what exactly are you getting at mate?


It's not a slight against you at all.

I am getting at the massive response the 'Boomerang Maneuver' recieved from CCP, which was deemed illegal and resulted in a CONCORD mechanics change. You have been dealing with what appears to be an exploit for about a week, with constant petitioning, to no avail. I'd definitely like to hear from a GM whether this plex is working 'as intended' or if indeed this is an exploit.



Oh, it is definitely an exploit, there's no doubt about that. It is considered to be an exploit by CCP for quite some time (not sure exactly when it was ruled, but at least for a year). I guess the problem is not easily solvable by changing some game mechanic (I can't go to specifics here without revealing how the exploit works), so the only thing CCP can do is warn/ban players doing it. GMs certainly need to have some proof and actually catch the guy doing it before acting, but I don't see that as a problem if they are actually keeping an eye on him. I mean, if I can tell when the guy is doing it (and it's not that hard if you know how), I'm pretty sure the GMs can.

I presume that this exploit is probably regarded as not that big of a deal considering many other exploits that certainly affect EVE more relevantly than this one, but this doesn't mean they can just ignore it. Especially since I petitioned exactly what player, system, time and method used.
yelworC
Garoun Investment Bank
Gallente Federation
#10 - 2012-04-08 12:42:44 UTC
StonerPhReaK wrote:
How do you know they dont have keys?


Oh, on the contrary, I know they have keys. Having keys is not an issue. Entering plex without using one is.
Astroniomix
School of Applied Knowledge
Caldari State
#11 - 2012-04-08 15:22:31 UTC
yelworC wrote:
StonerPhReaK wrote:
How do you know they dont have keys?


Oh, on the contrary, I know they have keys. Having keys is not an issue. Entering plex without using one is.

So you mean they are waiting untill you hit the gate then going in as well? That's not an exploit that's working as intended.
yelworC
Garoun Investment Bank
Gallente Federation
#12 - 2012-04-08 15:46:13 UTC
Astroniomix wrote:
yelworC wrote:
StonerPhReaK wrote:
How do you know they dont have keys?


Oh, on the contrary, I know they have keys. Having keys is not an issue. Entering plex without using one is.

So you mean they are waiting untill you hit the gate then going in as well? That's not an exploit that's working as intended.


LOL. Of course I don't mean that.
Syrias Bizniz
some random local shitlords
#13 - 2012-04-08 16:01:34 UTC
I don't know what this exploit is or how it works, but as you stated it would require some skilltime, but not very much, it certainly has to do with a character becoming able to fly a special ship with a special fitting. I'd say, it's a Dramiel pimped for speed activating the gate, cancelling warp and mashing full acceleration, so he is exactly aligned and will have to wait ~1-2 hours until he shows up in the plex?
Rara Yariza
Royal Amarr Institute
Amarr Empire
#14 - 2012-04-08 16:36:15 UTC
How can you be sure what they're doing is an exploit? can you see into their cargo-hold to see if they key is being used?
yelworC
Garoun Investment Bank
Gallente Federation
#15 - 2012-04-08 17:06:01 UTC
Rara Yariza wrote:
How can you be sure what they're doing is an exploit? can you see into their cargo-hold to see if they key is being used?


Look, I can't tell you how can I be sure without telling you how the exploit works, and I won't do that. What matters is that you can know, and GMs know that you can know.
Messoroz
AQUILA INC
Verge of Collapse
#16 - 2012-04-08 17:24:36 UTC  |  Edited by: Messoroz
https://bugs.eveonline.com

Submit a bug report, be sure to label it a exploit in the title under the Game Mechanics category. You can get the devs to act faster if it's in their tracking system rather than waiting on GMs and their bureaucracy.
Pinky Feldman
Amarrian Vengeance
Ragequit Cancel Sub
#17 - 2012-04-08 17:34:51 UTC
Messoroz wrote:
https://bugs.eveonline.com

Submit a bug report, be sure to label it a exploit in the title under the Game Mechanics category. You can get the devs to act faster if it's in their tracking system rather than waiting on GMs and their bureaucracy.


^ this
Tah'ris Khlador
Space Ghosts.
Break-A-Wish Foundation
#18 - 2012-04-08 17:50:08 UTC
I can't tell you what I know, but what I know is important. Also, it's critical to the C&P thread, which apparently is the "whine about everything" thread of late. Even if it is an exploit, C&P has no axe to lend you. (And definitely not my bow)

What exactly did you think posting about something you "can't talk about" would do for you in C&P? Publicity that you have thoughts?

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Teibor
Quay Industries
#19 - 2012-04-08 18:04:55 UTC
OP is correct, you could (still can i reckon) get into the 2nd room of a 2/10 static thats in metro withought using the gates so i presume the same applies to other 2/10 statics as well.
yelworC
Garoun Investment Bank
Gallente Federation
#20 - 2012-04-08 18:27:52 UTC
Messoroz wrote:
https://bugs.eveonline.com

Submit a bug report, be sure to label it a exploit in the title under the Game Mechanics category. You can get the devs to act faster if it's in their tracking system rather than waiting on GMs and their bureaucracy.


Thank you. I'll try that.
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