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T2BPO why they should be removed and how.

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Haulie Berry
#161 - 2012-04-26 18:59:52 UTC
Brewlar Kuvakei wrote:


When 78% of a T2 item is producded by BPOsomething is broken. That means CCP gave 78% of that market to a few select players. While the rest of eve has to work like mad at 22%. This is broken it always has been.

Remove T2BPO or forever be reminded that no matter how hard you try at the end of the day CCP hand outs decide who is at the top particularly in T2BPO manufacture.


If BPOs were removed tomorrow, do you think you would be able to dive right into a new, highly lucrative 50mm Reinforced Steel Plates II market?
shar'ra matcevsovski
Doomheim
#162 - 2012-04-26 19:01:15 UTC
Shoogie wrote:


When I see that stat, I wonder who the 22% were? Are they roleplayers who simply want to be able to say they built their own ships and don't care that it cost them more? Or are they dumb inventors who decided to invent and manufacture this item before running the numbers and determining if it was profitable or not?


I dont know wich item it is, but if its a commandship, one possible reason is that its prolly not getting build to make profit. eventually on a location where the ship is not available on market and the said person doesnt have the option to just got to high sec and grab of such items/ships. I bet most of these 22% are not getting traded in Jita.

But after reading Brewlar's arguments, I can easily imagine that some ppl are actually dumb enough to build them for profit,without running the numbers (correctly)

shar'ra phone home
Salo Aldeland
Sebiestor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#163 - 2012-04-26 19:14:29 UTC
Shoogie wrote:
You do not understand the implications of this statistic.


Oh, he understands it. It's been explained to him over and over again. He just doesn't like what that explanation means, so he ignores it.
Kara Books
Deal with IT.
#164 - 2012-04-26 19:48:29 UTC
Gatan Hahran wrote:
my neighbour got an iphone4. i cant afford one so they need to take it away from him.


My neighbor got an Iphone 12, I cant get it in this fair market so I should call Apple and have them take the stolen property back.

It would be BAD PRESS for apple if word got out that every one else is forced to buy lower end stuff while the rich .001% can get what wont come out for the next 12 years.
shar'ra matcevsovski
Doomheim
#165 - 2012-04-26 20:24:24 UTC
Kara Books wrote:
Gatan Hahran wrote:
my neighbour got an iphone4. i cant afford one so they need to take it away from him.


My neighbor got an Iphone 12, I cant get it in this fair market so I should call Apple and have them take the stolen property back.

It would be BAD PRESS for apple if word got out that every one else is forced to buy lower end stuff while the rich .001% can get what wont come out for the next 12 years.


your neightbor has a better job than you so he can afford it but you cant. remove jobs?

shar'ra phone home
Kara Books
Deal with IT.
#166 - 2012-04-26 21:16:15 UTC  |  Edited by: Kara Books
shar'ra matcevsovski wrote:
Kara Books wrote:
Gatan Hahran wrote:
my neighbour got an iphone4. i cant afford one so they need to take it away from him.


My neighbor got an Iphone 12, I cant get it in this fair market so I should call Apple and have them take the stolen property back.

It would be BAD PRESS for apple if word got out that every one else is forced to buy lower end stuff while the rich .001% can get what wont come out for the next 12 years.


your neightbor has a better job than you so he can afford it but you cant. remove jobs?


ru serous? because im not sure.

(edited)
I removed a not so funny pun about jobs
Salo Aldeland
Sebiestor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#167 - 2012-04-26 21:34:50 UTC
So you're saying if Apple could somehow produce a phone today that sold for $50,000 and did what a phone from a decade in the future could do for $500, we should protest its sale in the courts? Or at the very least, be unhappy with Apple for their pricing?

That's patently ridiculous. It's the opposite of what happens in reality. Expensive, ultra rare halo products increase brand awareness. Even when they're given away for free to wealthy playboys who could afford them anyways.

Talk sense, damnit.
Kara Books
Deal with IT.
#168 - 2012-04-27 03:36:54 UTC  |  Edited by: Kara Books
Salo Aldeland wrote:
So you're saying if Apple could somehow produce a phone today that sold for $50,000 and did what a phone from a decade in the future could do for $500, we should protest its sale in the courts? Or at the very least, be unhappy with Apple for their pricing?

That's patently ridiculous. It's the opposite of what happens in reality. Expensive, ultra rare halo products increase brand awareness. Even when they're given away for free to wealthy playboys who could afford them anyways.

Talk sense, damnit.


what exactly does real life money have to do with T2 BPO's?
your argument is invalid.

the fact of the matter is, there was a short term raffle, where people where hand chosen, to receive something and the rest of the customers where not even allowed to complain about, well im complaining about exactly that.

(edit part)
the problem can be rectified, the game will become more attractive to play and every one will be happy, including the T2 BPO holders.
Salo Aldeland
Sebiestor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#169 - 2012-04-27 14:00:20 UTC
Kara Books wrote:
what exactly does real life money have to do with T2 BPO's?
your argument is invalid.

the fact of the matter is, there was a short term raffle, where people where hand chosen, to receive something and the rest of the customers where not even allowed to complain about, well im complaining about exactly that.

(edit part)
the problem can be rectified, the game will become more attractive to play and every one will be happy, including the T2 BPO holders.


I have no idea. It makes as much sense as comparing them to imaginary super phones, I guess.
shar'ra matcevsovski
Doomheim
#170 - 2012-04-27 15:46:51 UTC
Kara Books wrote:


what exactly does real life money have to do with T2 BPO's?
your argument is invalid.

it was you who brought up the IphoneG12 example, dont ask us.

Kara Books wrote:

the fact of the matter is, there was a short term raffle, where people where hand chosen, to receive something and the rest of the customers where not even allowed to complain about, well im complaining about exactly that..


they won the lottery just as other ppl get lucky with a revenant BPC drop aswell.It was RANDOM who would get it.

YOU are just unhappy with your income and have to blame somebody else for that or cant bear that other player are somewhat more successfull than you. How can somebody have such a coll corp name and cry that much :S...deal with it


shar'ra phone home
Kara Books
Deal with IT.
#171 - 2012-04-27 16:51:00 UTC
shar'ra matcevsovski wrote:
Kara Books wrote:


what exactly does real life money have to do with T2 BPO's?
your argument is invalid.

it was you who brought up the IphoneG12 example, dont ask us.

Kara Books wrote:

the fact of the matter is, there was a short term raffle, where people where hand chosen, to receive something and the rest of the customers where not even allowed to complain about, well im complaining about exactly that..


they won the lottery just as other ppl get lucky with a revenant BPC drop aswell.It was RANDOM who would get it.

YOU are just unhappy with your income and have to blame somebody else for that or cant bear that other player are somewhat more successfull than you. How can somebody have such a coll corp name and cry that much :S...deal with it




I dont count somebody's money, but I will stand up for myself and 99% of the fellow players, lets not become childish.

Giving T2 BPO holders the current Market value in return for the removal of T2 BPO's means several things.
1.
Im 100% sure the T2 BPO holders will not complain, because after all they lose nothing.

2.
They will know fellow T2 BPO holders will also be giving up the same thing, so they will not be placed into a position where they would have an unfair disadvantage.

What is the point of arguing when I can understand that you have given lots of planning and thought to the T2 BPO strategy you can or are using, you do not want to think of anything other then holding onto some kind of an easy button.

every one just wants to take it away from you, in fact its NOT you or any other PERSON who owns tech 2 blueprint originals, its T2 BPO's that need to be replaced with New, Market friendly, creative and fun for every one solutions.
Katerwaul
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#172 - 2012-04-27 16:57:33 UTC
If you want to moan about how the T2 BPOs were handled & the terrible wrongs of them it should be taken to the Crime & Punishment forum. But the Crime & Punishment forum would require that the complaints have relevance and it's well past the point of relevance and into the territory of "feeling sorry for yourself". How dare life not be fair?

If you want to complain about how T2 BPOs shouldn't be in the game it should be taken to the Suggestions & Ideas forum. But the Suggestions & Idea forum doesn't bother feeling sorry for itself and it's residents would descend upon such a thread like so many angry magpies upon an ill-tempered cat. You can hiss and spit all you'd like, but they'll still drive you off.

I'm horribly disappointed that so much good sarcasm was so deeply buried in a forum post that should already be dead.

All "T2 BPO" posts are troll feed as far as I'm concerned. The most important thing these posts do is continue to provide a place for an old wound to fester & putrefy. They don't belong in the Science & Industry forum.
Working with everyone to improve New Eden -- Internet Spaceships Iz Serious Business.
shar'ra matcevsovski
Doomheim
#173 - 2012-04-27 17:06:36 UTC  |  Edited by: shar'ra matcevsovski
Kara Books wrote:


every one just wants to take it away from you, in fact its NOT you or any other PERSON who owns tech 2 blueprint originals, its T2 BPO's that need to be replaced with New, Market friendly, creative and fun for every one solutions.


Tbh, I dont see that many complaining, just those who do are over the top loud. Compared to the ~1200 different T2 BPO owners
the majority seems to be quite happy as it is.

Your idea, of taking away T2 BPO´s for their current value isnt that bad as such (at least T2 owners couldnt complain) but its fairly impossible for CCP to do that. It would be a full time job for them to calculate for every T2 BPO in the game a fair value, because its not that easy for Items that sometimes didnt got traded fro years. If they would have to deal with that, im afraid they wouldnt have time to deal with much more importnat stuff.

shar'ra phone home
Reverend Cletis
Synister Mynisters
#174 - 2012-04-27 17:33:54 UTC
Would someone be kind enough to wake me up when these inane T2bpo whine threads stop?

Much appreciated.
Brewlar Kuvakei
Adeptio Gloriae
#175 - 2012-04-27 18:46:33 UTC
Reverend Cletis wrote:
Would someone be kind enough to wake me up when these inane T2bpo whine threads stop?

Much appreciated.


I will send you a PM when they are removed or when EVE online finnaly goes to the MMO graveyard.
Smoking Blunts
ZC Omega
#176 - 2012-04-28 11:35:53 UTC
Brewlar Kuvakei wrote:
Reverend Cletis wrote:
Would someone be kind enough to wake me up when these inane T2bpo whine threads stop?

Much appreciated.


I will send you a PM when they are removed or when EVE online finnaly goes to the MMO graveyard.


lol your so funny

eve is gonna die because of t2 bpos....lmfao

earn some isk through invention and go buy one if you are so hooked on the idea there that special

OMG when can i get a pic here
Brewlar Kuvakei
Adeptio Gloriae
#177 - 2012-04-28 12:28:31 UTC
Smoking Blunts wrote:
Brewlar Kuvakei wrote:
Reverend Cletis wrote:
Would someone be kind enough to wake me up when these inane T2bpo whine threads stop?

Much appreciated.


I will send you a PM when they are removed or when EVE online finnaly goes to the MMO graveyard.


lol your so funny

eve is gonna die because of t2 bpos....lmfao

earn some isk through invention and go buy one if you are so hooked on the idea there that special


Eh I never suggested eve will die because of T2BPO but people will not stop complaining about them untill they are either removed or EVE stops.
Smoking Blunts
ZC Omega
#178 - 2012-04-28 12:31:50 UTC
Brewlar Kuvakei wrote:
Smoking Blunts wrote:
Brewlar Kuvakei wrote:
Reverend Cletis wrote:
Would someone be kind enough to wake me up when these inane T2bpo whine threads stop?

Much appreciated.


I will send you a PM when they are removed or when EVE online finnaly goes to the MMO graveyard.


lol your so funny

eve is gonna die because of t2 bpos....lmfao

earn some isk through invention and go buy one if you are so hooked on the idea there that special


Eh I never suggested eve will die because of T2BPO but people will not stop complaining about them untill they are either removed or EVE stops.



its seams that only you are moaning about them.

OMG when can i get a pic here
Kara Books
Deal with IT.
#179 - 2012-04-28 14:33:53 UTC
Smoking Blunts wrote:
Brewlar Kuvakei wrote:
Smoking Blunts wrote:
Brewlar Kuvakei wrote:
Reverend Cletis wrote:
Would someone be kind enough to wake me up when these inane T2bpo whine threads stop?

Much appreciated.


I will send you a PM when they are removed or when EVE online finnaly goes to the MMO graveyard.


lol your so funny

eve is gonna die because of t2 bpos....lmfao

earn some isk through invention and go buy one if you are so hooked on the idea there that special


Eh I never suggested eve will die because of T2BPO but people will not stop complaining about them untill they are either removed or EVE stops.



its seams that only you are moaning about them.


Its pretty obvious there are 20 or so people offering constructive input while 5 or so (alts?) people are desperately trying to hold onto their unfair disadvantage by trolling a thread with comments like "Moaning" this isnt a forum about porn, and the childish insults only further point out to disrespectful and irresponsible hands that hold onto Tech 2 Blueprint originals.
Smoking Blunts
ZC Omega
#180 - 2012-04-28 14:57:18 UTC
Kara Books wrote:


Its pretty obvious there are 20 or so people offering constructive input while 5 or so (alts?) people are desperately trying to hold onto their unfair disadvantage by trolling a thread with comments like "Moaning" this isnt a forum about ****, and the childish insults only further point out to disrespectful and irresponsible hands that hold onto Tech 2 Blueprint originals.


its only an unfair advantage(i take it you ment advantage, not disadvantage) if was impossible to get hold of they.. but you can, anyone can. the sales forum is full of them.

isnt it disrespectful to the people that worked hard in game to buy them(like anyone can) just to get them removed due to a few peoples inability to put in the same hard work?

OMG when can i get a pic here