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T2BPO why they should be removed and how.

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Brewlar Kuvakei
Adeptio Gloriae
#101 - 2012-04-24 13:01:38 UTC  |  Edited by: Brewlar Kuvakei
You think because T2BPO has been broken for a long time we should just leave it? Many things have been broken in eve and took years to fix. T2BPO is broken it always has been and one day it will be fixed probably when CCP realize what a terrible advert it is for the game and how it deters people from subbing further when they realize that T2BPO gifts get handed out by CCP to their pet players that negatively effect the way they play the game ie through invention.

The people who rally to the forums to dismiss these threads are those who benefit from CCP's hand outs and they provide nothing but insults to defend T2BPO's. I don't blame them as it is really hard to justify the existence of these items and it takes no effort to bash them as they are so clearly broken, my first post in this thread provides these details.
Zifrian
The Frog Pond
Ribbit.
#102 - 2012-04-24 14:01:58 UTC
I really wish blocking posts from someone blocked threads they create so I didn't have to see this idiot thread anymore.

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Jon Taggart
State War Academy
Caldari State
#103 - 2012-04-24 16:07:22 UTC
Akita T's thread on this subject cannot be posted enough.

Link

Go ahead. Refute them. If you dare! Smile
Haulie Berry
#104 - 2012-04-24 16:18:17 UTC  |  Edited by: Haulie Berry
Jon Taggart wrote:
Akita T's thread on this subject cannot be posted enough.

Link

Go ahead. Refute them. If you dare! Smile


A noble effort, but wasted.

I mean, really, have you read the guy's posts?

Quote:
...it deters people from subbing further when they realize that T2BPO gifts get handed out by CCP to their pet players...


His position is so indefensible that he's just... making things up at this point. You're not dealing with an intelligent, rational mind that will respond to petty trifles like "facts" and "logic" by adjusting its position to mesh with reality - you're dealing with an infant child who is going to scream and cry until they either get their way or are all cried out.

This is simple, petty jealousy. Other people have stuff. He does not have stuff. It is not "fair" that other people have stuff and he does not have stuff. He does not have the talent or skill to acquire stuff, therefor other people should have their stuff taken away so he will no longer feel that it is "unfair".

Since that's not an argument that is particularly given to inspiring sympathy, he employs this "for the good of the game" rhetoric, which is really nothing more than the internet spaceship equivalent of "think of the children" - it's a seemingly unassailable (to the uninitiated) argument that is used to draw attention away from a wholly self-serving agenda.
Lara Dantreb
Reisende des Schwarzschild Grenze
#105 - 2012-04-24 18:44:26 UTC  |  Edited by: Lara Dantreb
Brewlar Kuvakei wrote:
You think because T2BPO has been broken for a long time we should just leave it? Many things have been broken in eve and took years to fix. T2BPO is broken it always has been and one day it will be fixed probably when CCP realize what a terrible advert it is for the game and how it deters people from subbing further when they realize that T2BPO gifts get handed out by CCP to their pet players that negatively effect the way they play the game ie through invention

The people who rally to the forums to dismiss these threads are those who benefit from CCP's hand outs and they provide nothing but insults to defend T2BPO's. I don't blame them as it is really hard to justify the existence of these items and it takes no effort to bash them as they are so clearly broken, my first post in this thread provides these details.


This is you very own point of view. As stated before this a been debated FOR YEARS and things will not change, because the debate is over already. Clever and respected people (i.e : Akita T) have already posted on this subject and a consensus has been reached

You are alone thinking this way and whatever we could say to explain why you are wrong... well, there is no deaf as those who will not hear.

EDIT : please moderator, lock this thread for trolling

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Brewlar Kuvakei
Adeptio Gloriae
#106 - 2012-04-24 20:44:15 UTC
''Newer players have the exact same options to get a T2 BPO as a very old player with no T2 BPOs has to get one : just purchase it with ISK.''
Akita T

First line of her post, ehm no new players don't get

A. Option to win a corrupt lottery
B. Gifted items for free by CCP
C. Gifted items for free by a member of CCP
D. Have access to Rats that drop T2BPO

If Akita T wishes to answer to this let her or if anyone else would like to explain

''Newer players have the exact same options to get a T2 BPO as a very old player with no T2 BPOs has to get one : just purchase it with ISK.''

then please do.

Remove T2BPO
Stella SGP
#107 - 2012-04-24 21:24:26 UTC
Brewlar Kuvakei wrote:
''Newer players have the exact same options to get a T2 BPO as a very old player with no T2 BPOs has to get one : just purchase it with ISK.''
Akita T

First line of her post, ehm no new players don't get

A. Option to win a corrupt lottery
B. Gifted items for free by CCP
C. Gifted items for free by a member of CCP
D. Have access to Rats that drop T2BPO

If Akita T wishes to answer to this let her or if anyone else would like to explain

''Newer players have the exact same options to get a T2 BPO as a very old player with no T2 BPOs has to get one : just purchase it with ISK.''

then please do.

Remove T2BPO

Yawn... Nothing new to see here.

The reason why you get nothing but insults in reply to your whine is because it is exactly what it is, whining. You are not bringing your points to the table in a rational manner. All you are doing is throwing around wild accusations and WA WA WA crying. You really expected someone to waste their braincells to respond?

Did you bother reading the whole thread by Akita or did you stop after the first line? Some of the best minds in EVE argued their points in that thread, regardless of whether its for or against. Anything and everything has already been discussed to death in Akita's thread and no-one can be bothered to regurgitate this stuff over and over and over again everytime some clueless guy starts a thread about it. People get tired you know.

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Haulie Berry
#108 - 2012-04-24 21:24:58 UTC  |  Edited by: Haulie Berry
Brewlar Kuvakei wrote:


A. Option to win a corrupt lottery
B. Gifted items for free by CCP
C. Gifted items for free by a member of CCP
D. Have access to Rats that drop T2BPO



[citation needed]

You do understand that your wholly fictional history of T2BPO's does not make for a valid argument, yes?
Five Thirty
School of Applied Knowledge
Caldari State
#109 - 2012-04-24 21:33:48 UTC
Brewlar Kuvakei wrote:

''Newer players have the exact same options to get a T2 BPO as a very old player with no T2 BPOs has to get one : just purchase it with ISK.''


Smoking Blunts
ZC Omega
#110 - 2012-04-24 21:37:01 UTC
Five Thirty wrote:
Brewlar Kuvakei wrote:

''Newer players have the exact same options to get a T2 BPO as a very old player with no T2 BPOs has to get one : just purchase it with ISK.''





was here for the lottery but didnt win, bought some with isk that i made from invention.. working as intended

OMG when can i get a pic here
Brewlar Kuvakei
Adeptio Gloriae
#111 - 2012-04-24 22:51:53 UTC  |  Edited by: Brewlar Kuvakei
If Akita T's first line was not complete rubbish it would make her article worth reading. I read the whole thing but sadly it starts with complete untrue crap bias which taints the whole thing. Where as in my posts I'm 100% truthfull as you can see from the original post. I'd like to see people argues against the facts but they simply can only insult as my facts are sound and as stated T2BPO needs removed if CCP is to shed its corrupt small game dev image. CCP or EVE will not be able to grow into anything more untill T2BPO are removed.
Five Thirty
School of Applied Knowledge
Caldari State
#112 - 2012-04-24 22:53:20 UTC
Brewlar Kuvakei wrote:
If Akita T's first line was not complete rubbish it would make her article worth reading. i read the whole thing but sadly it goes from the first line being complete rubbish all the way through to the end.


Since you are obviously unable to use logic and / or reason, it has become clear that you are just trolling.

Decent bit of work getting so many bites, so cheers on that at least.
Brewlar Kuvakei
Adeptio Gloriae
#113 - 2012-04-24 22:56:31 UTC
Five Thirty wrote:
Brewlar Kuvakei wrote:
If Akita T's first line was not complete rubbish it would make her article worth reading. i read the whole thing but sadly it goes from the first line being complete rubbish all the way through to the end.


Since you are obviously unable to use logic and / or reason, it has become clear that you are just trolling.

Decent bit of work getting so many bites, so cheers on that at least.




Yet again more ''trolling'' blah blah blah not one single reason for keeping T2BPO. Every argument points to removing only CCP pets keep defending T2BPO.
Five Thirty
School of Applied Knowledge
Caldari State
#114 - 2012-04-24 23:00:39 UTC
Let me explain it very simply to you:

What is stopping you from buying your very own T2BPO and joining in on this endless revenue stream you seem to think spouts from each and every one?

I know many people who own T2BPOs and every single one of them were purchased with ISK, which they earned by doing other profit making activities.

It sounds like you're just too lazy to do the work required.
Haulie Berry
#115 - 2012-04-24 23:05:53 UTC
Brewlar Kuvakei wrote:
Where as in my posts I'm 100% truthfull as you can see from the original post. I'd like to see people argues against the facts but they simply can only insult as my facts are sound and as stated T2BPO needs removed if CCP is to shed its corrupt small game dev image. CCP or EVE will not be able to grow into anything more untill T2BPO are removed.


I like how you continually refer to your entirely fictitious history of BPO distribution as "fact".

You've progressed from ignorance to outright lies.
Brewlar Kuvakei
Adeptio Gloriae
#116 - 2012-04-24 23:10:13 UTC
Haulie Berry wrote:
Brewlar Kuvakei wrote:
Where as in my posts I'm 100% truthfull as you can see from the original post. I'd like to see people argues against the facts but they simply can only insult as my facts are sound and as stated T2BPO needs removed if CCP is to shed its corrupt small game dev image. CCP or EVE will not be able to grow into anything more untill T2BPO are removed.


I like how you continually refer to your entirely fictitious history of BPO distribution as "fact".

You've progressed from ignorance to outright lies.


Sorry where did I lie?

Please stop slandering. Anyone who supports T2BPO is not familiar with fact so please indulge me.
Haulie Berry
#117 - 2012-04-24 23:16:41 UTC  |  Edited by: Haulie Berry
Brewlar Kuvakei wrote:
Haulie Berry wrote:
Brewlar Kuvakei wrote:
Where as in my posts I'm 100% truthfull as you can see from the original post. I'd like to see people argues against the facts but they simply can only insult as my facts are sound and as stated T2BPO needs removed if CCP is to shed its corrupt small game dev image. CCP or EVE will not be able to grow into anything more untill T2BPO are removed.


I like how you continually refer to your entirely fictitious history of BPO distribution as "fact".

You've progressed from ignorance to outright lies.


Sorry where did I lie?

Please stop slandering. Anyone who supports T2BPO is not familiar with fact so please indulge me.


...pretty much all of it. You assert that the lottery was "corrupt". Support this assertion. How was it corrupt? Were players gifted RPs they didn't earn? Was the RNG intentionally flawed? What evidence do you have to support this?

You assert that T2 BPOs were dropped by rats. When was this? The only BPOs ever distributed through any means other than the lottery were Miner IIs. They were distributed as part of an in-game event. So when, then, were they ever dropped by rats? At which point in the game's history could I fit up a ship, fly to a belt, pop a rat and get a T2 BPO? Which rats?, in which regions? Which BPOs were dropped?

You assert that CCP handed BPOs to players. The only occurrence of this that I am aware of is the T20 scandal. Those BPOs were recovered and redistributed via lottery, thus can no longer be said to be in the hands of anyone who gained them illegitimately.
Katja Faith
Doomheim
#118 - 2012-04-24 23:29:24 UTC
Haulie Berry wrote:
--troll bait snipped--


Assuming you're not an alt of the troll, why on earth are you feeding it?
Brewlar Kuvakei
Adeptio Gloriae
#119 - 2012-04-24 23:51:34 UTC  |  Edited by: Brewlar Kuvakei
Haulie Berry wrote:
Brewlar Kuvakei wrote:
Haulie Berry wrote:
Brewlar Kuvakei wrote:
Where as in my posts I'm 100% truthfull as you can see from the original post. I'd like to see people argues against the facts but they simply can only insult as my facts are sound and as stated T2BPO needs removed if CCP is to shed its corrupt small game dev image. CCP or EVE will not be able to grow into anything more untill T2BPO are removed.


I like how you continually refer to your entirely fictitious history of BPO distribution as "fact".

You've progressed from ignorance to outright lies.


Sorry where did I lie?

Please stop slandering. Anyone who supports T2BPO is not familiar with fact so please indulge me.


...pretty much all of it. You assert that the lottery was "corrupt". Support this assertion. How was it corrupt? Were players gifted RPs they didn't earn? Was the RNG intentionally flawed? What evidence do you have to support this?

You assert that T2 BPOs were dropped by rats. When was this? The only BPOs ever distributed through any means other than the lottery were Miner IIs. They were distributed as part of an in-game event. So when, then, were they ever dropped by rats? At which point in the game's history could I fit up a ship, fly to a belt, pop a rat and get a T2 BPO? Which rats?, in which regions? Which BPOs were dropped?

You assert that CCP handed BPOs to players. The only occurrence of this that I am aware of is the T20 scandal. Those BPOs were recovered and redistributed via lottery, thus can no longer be said to be in the hands of anyone who gained them illegitimately.


I'm not sure how much evidence I can provide with out being banned as CCP does ban you for revealing facts on T2BPO. Possibly we need some CCP dev clarification on what facts I can reveal whith out being banned.

Needless to say T2BPO were given to players as assets. The lottery was corrupt in the fact that its workings and details were revealed to select players. Primarly how many tickets in each lottery and how many BPO's in each lottery. This was a massive advantage to players in the know. Yes mining T2BPO's were dropped in events. T20 scandal was the unothorised BPO hand out but these BPO's were recovred.

CCP should give a complete list of current T2BPO and their original owners plus the exact amount of T2 and copies produced of them so we can 100% account for all T2BPO problems.
Haulie Berry
#120 - 2012-04-25 00:01:59 UTC
Brewlar Kuvakei wrote:


I'm not sure how much evidence I can provide with out being banned as CCP does ban you for revealing facts on T2BPO. Possibly we need some CCP dev clarification on what facts I can reveal whith out being banned.


Lol. "If I told you I would have to kill you!" Roll How very convenient for you.

Fiction presented as fact - commonly known as lies.