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T2BPO why they should be removed and how.

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Ore Bunny
Tactical Feed.
Pandemic Horde
#861 - 2012-07-25 11:28:15 UTC
Jorma Morkkis wrote:
Ore Bunny wrote:
true, but on the other hand who honestly cares about your baby-like moaning?


Oh nice... More T2 BPO owners.


Hello there!

how do you feel about that now?

Pipa Porto
#862 - 2012-07-25 11:29:39 UTC
Jorma Morkkis wrote:
Pipa Porto wrote:
If you want to buy them with RP, go ahead and get in your time machine and do so. You'll be sad to find that that's not how the lottery worked.


So, how it worked if RP wasn't any part of it?


1. Please, go to your Junior High English teacher and tell them that they badly failed you and that you would like remedial lessons in sentence parsing.

2. You did not buy BPOs with RP, each RP was a lottery ticket and if one of yours won, you had the option of accepting the offer (wiping your RP with the agent), or hoping for a better BPO.

3. Still not relevant unless you have a time machine. You and Brewlar have as yet shown nothing to suggest that T2 BPOs cause any trouble for Inventors or the game as a whole. You claim that they're overpowered, but when asked why you haven't gotten a piece of that sweet, sweet, overpowered Isk, you whine that you want CCP to give you a time machine instead.

EvE: Everyone vs Everyone

-RubyPorto

Jorma Morkkis
State War Academy
Caldari State
#863 - 2012-07-25 12:53:56 UTC
Pipa Porto wrote:
1. Please, go to your Junior High English teacher and tell them that they badly failed you and that you would like remedial lessons in sentence parsing.


English isn't the only language in the world.

You do that just to move goalpost. We all know that you own T2 BPOs.
Akita T
Caldari Navy Volunteer Task Force
#864 - 2012-07-25 21:39:00 UTC
Jorma Morkkis, Brewlar Kuvakei, you've both kind of given up even trying to sound rational, intentionally "forget" or outright ignore clear-cut comments that directly demolish your arguments and just keep repeating the same things that have been debunked multiple times, and so on and so forth.
I refuse to believe you're idiots with anterograde amnesia, so I'll have to assume you've simply giving up on decently thought-out trolling and reverted to low-class low-effort irrational trolling.
This discussion is no longer useful, because it ceased being a discussion quite a while ago.

We can resume talks as soon as you actually address the issues that maul your opinions in a logical manner. It CAN be done, to some degree, but I won't do your work for you.
Become smarter trolls that are interesting to verbally spar with, or simply buzz off already.
Pipa Porto
#865 - 2012-07-25 21:44:32 UTC  |  Edited by: Pipa Porto
Jorma Morkkis wrote:
Pipa Porto wrote:
1. Please, go to your Junior High English teacher and tell them that they badly failed you and that you would like remedial lessons in sentence parsing.


English isn't the only language in the world.

You do that just to move goalpost. We all know that you own T2 BPOs.


Sentence parsing is a useful skill in any language.

If I owned a T2 BPO, I'd have sold it already. Know why? Because they're terrible investments.

If you think T2 BPOs are overpowered at this point in time, why haven't you bought any?

EvE: Everyone vs Everyone

-RubyPorto

shar'ra matcevsovski
Doomheim
#866 - 2012-07-25 22:10:57 UTC
Jorma Morkkis wrote:
[quote=Pipa Porto] We all know that you own T2 BPOs.


and we all know that you two DONT own one, nor can afford one, otherwie you wouldnt have this discussion.Big smile

I dont believe its a coincidence that its only non-industrialists and kinda bitter new players who see the issues on T2 BPO`s, if you want to talk about prejudices ;)

shar'ra phone home

Pipa Porto
#867 - 2012-07-26 02:23:09 UTC
@Jorma and Brewlar,

If you think T2 BPOs are overpowered at this point in time, why haven't you bought any?

https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&t=136821&find=unread
70b-120b, 700m ISK/Month profit if Fed.

EvE: Everyone vs Everyone

-RubyPorto

Jorma Morkkis
State War Academy
Caldari State
#868 - 2012-07-26 06:08:51 UTC  |  Edited by: Jorma Morkkis
Pipa Porto wrote:
Sentence parsing is a useful skill in any language.


Oh... we have expert here. Big smile

I'd be ready to bet that you can't complete one single sentence in Finnish or Swedish

Pipa Porto wrote:
If I owned a T2 BPO, I'd have sold it already. Know why? Because they're terrible investments.


If T2 BPOs are terrible investments then why do they still exists in-game?
Obviously there's something good in them.

- Profit
- Owner dominates market.
shar'ra matcevsovski
Doomheim
#869 - 2012-07-26 06:22:34 UTC
Jorma Morkkis wrote:
Pipa Porto wrote:
Sentence parsing is a useful skill in any language.


Oh... we have expert here. Big smile

I'd be ready to bet that you can't complete one single sentence in Finnish or Swedish


How fastcinating, a non native english speaker! Look, english is not my primary language (not even secondary, to be exact) either, but its the only spoken langauge in this forum. So if you want to know everything better in said Forum, its a very lame excuse to bring, that its not your native language.


Jorma Morkkis wrote:

If T2 BPOs are terrible investments then why do they still exists in-game?


what kind of backpedalling-logic is that?... is there a rule that every single existing item in the game must be a good investment or profitable at some point? My male (huray!) exotic Dancer isnt profitable or very usefull either, should he get removed too?

shar'ra phone home

Pipa Porto
#870 - 2012-07-26 06:23:47 UTC
Jorma Morkkis wrote:
Pipa Porto wrote:
Sentence parsing is a useful skill in any language.


Oh... we have expert here. Big smile

I'd be ready to bet that you can't complete one single sentence in Finnish or Swedish



Give me a dictionary and a sentence structure guide, and I bet I could parse it.

Anyway, I learned Latin in school, and French at home, not Finnish or Swetish. Not everybody has to speak English, but learning how to figure out what sentences actually say is kind of important when speaking in any language.

Quote:

Pipa Porto wrote:
If I owned a T2 BPO, I'd have sold it already. Know why? Because they're terrible investments.


If T2 BPOs are terrible investments then why do they still exists in-game?
Obviously there's something good in them.

- Profit
- Owner dominates market.


Being terrible investments is not an argument to remove them. Titan and Supercap BPOs are terrible investments right now. No reason to remove those.

They're collectors items, and the premium that they command over their rational value is proof of that.

-They provide a terrible income for their capital investment.
-They do no such thing. A Hulk BPO produces 30 Hulks a month. Jita alone consumes 2000+. HAG killed 9,000 in like 3 months. There are maybe 5-10 Hulk BPOs. That's at most 300 Hulks from BPOs a month when at least 3,000 a month were needed just for replacement.

Again, if T2 BPOs are so good, why haven't you bought one?
https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&t=134773&find=unread
17b, 38m Isk LOSS per month. (But wait, I thought they were overpowered and ruled the market?)

EvE: Everyone vs Everyone

-RubyPorto

Jorma Morkkis
State War Academy
Caldari State
#871 - 2012-07-26 07:02:50 UTC
Pipa Porto wrote:
-They provide a terrible income for their capital investment.
-They do no such thing. A Hulk BPO produces 30 Hulks a month. Jita alone consumes 2000+. HAG killed 9,000 in like 3 months. There are maybe 5-10 Hulk BPOs. That's at most 300 Hulks from BPOs a month when at least 3,000 a month were needed just for replacement.


What is better investment?
Invention is one of the worst ways to earn isk.

Pipa Porto wrote:
Again, if T2 BPOs are so good, why haven't you bought one?
https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&t=134773&find=unread
17b, 38m Isk LOSS per month. (But wait, I thought they were overpowered and ruled the market?)


Why you link these terrible ones? There's better BPOs out there.
Pipa Porto
#872 - 2012-07-26 07:08:37 UTC  |  Edited by: Pipa Porto
Jorma Morkkis wrote:
Pipa Porto wrote:
-They provide a terrible income for their capital investment.
-They do no such thing. A Hulk BPO produces 30 Hulks a month. Jita alone consumes 2000+. HAG killed 9,000 in like 3 months. There are maybe 5-10 Hulk BPOs. That's at most 300 Hulks from BPOs a month when at least 3,000 a month were needed just for replacement.


What is better investment?
Invention is one of the worst ways to earn isk.


You clearly have no idea how to do invention. You can pretty easily break 2m ISK/hr/line doing invention.
You could use the Isk you would have invested in a T2 BPO on market manip.
You could run a reaction farm.
You could invest in collateralized loans (most pay ~5%-8%).

Quote:

Pipa Porto wrote:
Again, if T2 BPOs are so good, why haven't you bought one?
https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&t=134773&find=unread
17b, 38m Isk LOSS per month. (But wait, I thought they were overpowered and ruled the market?)


Why you link these terrible ones? There's better BPOs out there.


These are the ones currently on sale. I don't normally look for T2 BPO sales because I don't want one because I don't throw my money away on expensive collectors items).

I also linked the Scimitar BPO. That's one of the better ones (as it's also profitable to invent), and that makes ~3b a month and costs 290b.

That's a 1% monthly rate of return.

Copying Titan BPOs does better than that, and that market's crashed into the dirt.

EvE: Everyone vs Everyone

-RubyPorto

Jorma Morkkis
State War Academy
Caldari State
#873 - 2012-07-26 07:16:44 UTC  |  Edited by: Jorma Morkkis
Pipa Porto wrote:
You clearly have no idea how to do invention. You can pretty easily break 2m ISK/hr/line doing invention.


I know how to do invention. Just not worth it. Nobody buys T2 BPCs.
Or I would have to wait months to sell one.
Pipa Porto
#874 - 2012-07-26 07:19:39 UTC  |  Edited by: Pipa Porto
Jorma Morkkis wrote:
Pipa Porto wrote:
You clearly have no idea how to do invention. You can pretty easily break 2m ISK/hr/line doing invention.


I know how to do invention. Just not worth it. Nobody buys T2 BPCs.
Or I would have to wait months to sell one.


That's because everyone does the smart thing with their invented BPCs so nobody bothers looking on contracts.
You have to actually build the thing.

And again, all of those other things make a better return on investment than BPOs.

You know how big a reactor farm you could set up with the 290b Isk you'd otherwise have tied up in a Scimi BPO?

EvE: Everyone vs Everyone

-RubyPorto

Jorma Morkkis
State War Academy
Caldari State
#875 - 2012-07-26 07:29:08 UTC
Pipa Porto wrote:
That's because everyone does the smart thing with their invented BPCs so nobody bothers looking on contracts.
You have to actually build the thing.


That's what I thought, but unfortunately it doesn't work that way.

I would have to build few specific modules/ships to get decent profit. Otherwise I would get very small profit or actually lose money:

Akita T wrote:
You ARE allowed to manufacture whatever the friggin' heck you want.
You are NOT allowed to complain you're not making much profit if you build what you like not what gives you the best profit.
shar'ra matcevsovski
Doomheim
#876 - 2012-07-26 07:51:26 UTC
Jorma Morkkis wrote:
Pipa Porto wrote:
That's because everyone does the smart thing with their invented BPCs so nobody bothers looking on contracts.
You have to actually build the thing.


That's what I thought, but unfortunately it doesn't work that way.


its exactly how it works, but as you said, you dont know how to Invent profitable

Jorma Morkkis wrote:

I would have to build few specific modules/ships to get decent profit. Otherwise I would get very small profit or actually lose money:


so?

shar'ra phone home

Jorma Morkkis
State War Academy
Caldari State
#877 - 2012-07-26 08:02:19 UTC
shar'ra matcevsovski wrote:
so?


Building only Basis, Scimis, T2 invuls, T2 LSEs and T2 HMLs starts to get boring at some point.
Akita T
Caldari Navy Volunteer Task Force
#878 - 2012-07-26 08:05:58 UTC  |  Edited by: Akita T
Jorma Morkkis wrote:
Building only Basis, Scimis, T2 invuls, T2 LSEs and T2 HMLs starts to get boring at some point.

Your claimed boredom is of absolutely no relevance to the issue at hand.
Also, there's plenty more that make a decent profit other than just those.
The only time you would be justified in complaining would be if you could not find any items whatsoever where you could make a decent profit.
Jorma Morkkis
State War Academy
Caldari State
#879 - 2012-07-26 08:09:20 UTC
Akita T wrote:
Your claimed boredom is of absolutely no relevance to the issue at hand.
Also, there's plenty more that make a decent profit other than just those.
The only time you would be justified in complaining would be if you could not find any items whatsoever where you could make a decent profit.


You don't get it?

Only items I would get decent profit are Basis and Scimis. For example I would have to build 1M units of T2 HMLs to get decent profit.
Akita T
Caldari Navy Volunteer Task Force
#880 - 2012-07-26 08:10:55 UTC
So now you want to sit there and say that you can't make a decent profit inventing Hulks ?
Then either you're screwing up calculations, or your skills are junk, or you're using the wrong decryptors.