Science & Industry

Anecdotal evidence, hearsay, unsubstantiated claim.

Be my guest. The other poll shows more pro-T2 BPO than anti-T2 BPO people active.

Link somehow, to some degree, maybe. Merge, no snowball's chance in red hot lava.

So how exactly would that change anything from the way it is now if most of those T2 BPOs would have already changed more than one pair of hands ?
Answer - it would be almost the exact same situation we have now if the cap to BPO count would be the same. The only difference would be a bit less ISK in the economy.
Possibly much worse if they would not have capped the number of T2 BPOs, as invention would be pointless.

That was a less relevant tangent.



The same way removing all existing ones FORCEFULLY would be equally stupid for many other reasons already explained in detail multiple times.

The best alternative would be a time machine to stop them from ever having existed, but we can't have that yet, as far as we know, given current human technology level.

NOT changing the current BPO situation but buffing invention instead is the overall least damaging alternative REALISTICALLY POSSIBLE for now.
CCP are continuously and slowly buffing invention either directly or indirectly.
One of the largest buffs to invention (which is also an indirect significant nerf to T2 BPO value) was just devblogged about days ago.

You should be freaking ecstatic about it, yet you keep on repeating the same old unfeasible mantra.
T2 BPOs won't be removed, period.
Nerfed into almost complete uselessness, MAYBE, but removed, hell no.

Which is it? Are you moaning about not being able to "Trade in" your RP for a new BPO (in a way that was never possible in the first place)? Or are you moaning that you didn't start playing EVE early enough.

If you think T2 BPOs are overpowered, why haven't you bought any?

Oh, and if you want to rid TQ of T2 BPOs, the best way to do it would be to buy them all and Rt Click -> Trash Item. So why haven't you bought any?

Or, in other words, you CAN'T remove them, so the only reasonable alternative is to make them be worth less, earn less profits, and be less advantageous compared to invention.

I've played this game on an off for quite a few years now. I was around when they seeded T2 BPO's etc...

I have not ever been an industrialist, scientist or anything at all along those lines. I was idly browsing this forum because I was bored at work, and was curious about mining and such. I barely have any of those skills trained at all.

Although I can't weigh in on the argument from an industrialist point of view, I really hope those that would like T2 BPO's removed from the game have a far better advocate than the OP and his supporters in this thread.

The entire argument reads like bad headlines from a trashy tabloid newspaper. Not a single reasoned, logical argument, backed up with evidence in this thread from those wanting the BPO's removed.

It is shocking. I am surprised the devs even read these forums these days, but if they do, I hope they do not take seriously such drivel as this.

Given the number of threads the OP is making on this subject, it smells more like a witch hunt than any genuine concern for game balance.

The only thing I would like to refute is the assertion that the T2 BPO situation drives new players away from the game.

Personally I would say by the time a new player had even got to the stage of being aware of T2 BPO's, they would have already quit the game because of the numerous other (extremely high) hurdles EVE puts in your path, or would be here to stay and using their initiative to make ISK the way they choose.

I highly doubt many (if any) new players will sit at their desk saying, " damn man years ago CCP gave some people some free stuff that has some affect on the market." /ragequit.

No... just.. no.

Nic

One. My arguments are sound. The supporters of T2BPO just make petty personal attacks except Akita who makes valid points. My other post

https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&find=unread&t=135359

had 7 people opposing T2BPO's before an over zealous ISD closed the topic, I expect it will be re-opened shortly, after all this topic was once locked too :).

T2BPO's do drive people out of the game and there have been plenty of forum rage quits over the matter, bans for complaining about T2BPO's and T20.

''Given the number of threads the OP is making on this subject, it smells more like a witch hunt than any genuine concern for game balance.''

I have made one other thread and the only other reason I'd open another is when ISD unfairly block them but then that just spawns 5 separate threads across the forums.

The fact that you don't want them removed doesn't mean it can't be done.



No, that will be buff for T2 BPO owners.

ehm no.

As T2 production costs isk in materials so no it could not crash or people would simply reprocess items for materials. T2BPO owners had several years of unopposed ISK making manufacture. It is time for CCP to remove T2BPO and let Tranquillity server grow.

Remove or nerf T2BPO, make EVE real and let it grow.

I agree it's highly unlikely that CCP will stop handing out massive advantages to pet players and I really think that this point is EVE's biggest draw back. This game would be far better if it as a sandbox and player driven game unlike the scripted trash that it is now. I like EVE online but I hate the poor decisions that CCP often make and that is why I'm playing on Serenity and Tin City EVE online which is superior to CCP's although I do not doubt that tin city will ruin their version by introducing game breaking content at some point to.

LOL they are not that dumb. Serenity will out grow tranquillity for this reason as soon as Tin City launch a full English client instead of asking English players use a half modded client.