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T2BPO why they should be removed and how.

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Smoking Blunts
ZC Omega
#21 - 2012-04-08 15:30:08 UTC  |  Edited by: Smoking Blunts
Brewlar Kuvakei wrote:
Lauren Hellfury wrote:
so get your 5b faster than the muppets who fail so hard at making isk. or put your money where your mouth is and buy some [T2H8R] shares.

your choice.

(of course you can always whine on the forums instead.)


Why would I pay an eve pet for his BPO he should not have been given in the first place?

I think my method of making noobs aware of T2BPO before they subscribe an eve account with the ambition of manufacturing is more likely to see the removal off all T2BPO. When CCP see that T2BPO is hurting subscription they will be more inclined to remove them. I know 2 people who have rage quit over T2BPO and T2BPO is the reason I would never consider manufacture. ( Yes I know invention can compete in some T2 fields) but it is the principle that keeps me out of the game.



t2 bpos dont stop people staring eve, and when they do start its like arrr ohhh shiney stars and space ships. not oh look if i go from 5k to 450b i cant compeat because of a bpo.
t2 bpos are not hurting manufacturing either, if a modual sells well people invent it. it dosnt matter if it has a t2 bpo as invention will produce way more than a t2 bpo ever could.
if your friends did quit over t2 bpos, and i highly doubt your telling the truth, there morons who cant do maths or understand spredsheets.

OMG when can i get a pic here
Katja Faith
Doomheim
#22 - 2012-04-08 15:49:13 UTC
Bad troll is bad. And boring. Thread reported for reopening a locked thread.
Brewlar Kuvakei
Adeptio Gloriae
#23 - 2012-04-08 16:04:17 UTC
Not one good reason for T2BPO's or one argument about the distrubution of T2BPO's. Just whines and bitches about posting the obvious that T2BPO badly needs removed and this sad chapter of EVE closed forever. You've had good years of effortless uncompeting manufacture it's time to play EVE like the rest of us mortals who don't have a bat phone direct to a CCP Dev.
Stella SGP
#24 - 2012-04-08 16:06:47 UTC
nom nom nom MOAR TEARS!
Brewlar Kuvakei
Adeptio Gloriae
#25 - 2012-04-08 16:11:52 UTC
Stella SGP wrote:
nom nom nom MOAR TEARS!


Quotes from supporters of T2BPO. As you can see they are idiots. Still not a single reason for keeping them not one.
Stella SGP
#26 - 2012-04-08 16:15:47 UTC  |  Edited by: Stella SGP
Brewlar Kuvakei wrote:
Stella SGP wrote:
nom nom nom MOAR TEARS!


Quotes from supporters of T2BPO. As you can see they are idiots. Still not a single reason for keeping them not one.

Pffft tons of reason have been given over many years already. You're just too lazy to read what others have written.

Most of us just can't be bothered regurgitating the same stuff over and over again in every new thread you create.

So I have simply come to harvest you noob tears since you refuse to see what others have written before.

MOAR TEARS! I need to fill up my tanker!
Brewlar Kuvakei
Adeptio Gloriae
#27 - 2012-04-08 16:17:31 UTC
Stella SGP wrote:
Brewlar Kuvakei wrote:
Stella SGP wrote:
nom nom nom MOAR TEARS!


Quotes from supporters of T2BPO. As you can see they are idiots. Still not a single reason for keeping them not one.

Pffft tons of reason have been given over many years already. You're just too lazy and daft to read what others have written.


I'm reading them and it seems just a lot of retards making personal attacks at the very thought of someone suggesting they give up their CCP silver spoon.
Katja Faith
Doomheim
#28 - 2012-04-08 16:18:08 UTC
Stella SGP wrote:
Brewlar Kuvakei wrote:
Stella SGP wrote:
nom nom nom MOAR TEARS!


Quotes from supporters of T2BPO. As you can see they are idiots. Still not a single reason for keeping them not one.

Pffft tons of reason have been given over many years already. You're just too lazy and daft to read what others have written.


That's it, keep feeding the troll. Keep the non-sense running.
Stella SGP
#29 - 2012-04-08 16:23:55 UTC
Katja Faith wrote:
Stella SGP wrote:
Brewlar Kuvakei wrote:
Stella SGP wrote:
nom nom nom MOAR TEARS!


Quotes from supporters of T2BPO. As you can see they are idiots. Still not a single reason for keeping them not one.

Pffft tons of reason have been given over many years already. You're just too lazy and daft to read what others have written.


That's it, keep feeding the troll. Keep the non-sense running.


But i'm bored...
Lyrrashae
Hellstar Towing and Recovery
#30 - 2012-04-08 17:57:32 UTC
Again with this crap?

Give it a break, alreadyRoll

(And re-posting threads that were locked is against the forum rules, by the way. You wouldn't want to get forum-banned now, would you? Although everyone else probably would welcome that, so keep it up!)

Ni.
Lyrrashae
Hellstar Towing and Recovery
#31 - 2012-04-08 18:11:08 UTC
Brewlar Kuvakei wrote:
Stella SGP wrote:
nom nom nom MOAR TEARS!


Quotes from supporters of T2BPO. As you can see they are idiots. Still not a single reason for keeping them not one.


The barely-literate tears of idiots have been demonstrated to have a pump-octane rating of 100, with massively reduced CO, CO(subscript)2, and NOx emisions, and reduced fuel-consumption...

MOAR!! Do your part for the environment, and fine very-high-performance engines everywhere!

Ni.
Prince Kobol
#32 - 2012-04-08 18:18:34 UTC
Not this subject again...

ARGHHHHH AttentionAttentionAttentionAttentionAttentionAttentionAttention
Shadowsword
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#33 - 2012-04-08 19:06:48 UTC
Brewlar Kuvakei wrote:
Stella SGP wrote:
nom nom nom MOAR TEARS!


Quotes from supporters of T2BPO. As you can see they are idiots. Still not a single reason for keeping them not one.


Reasons were given in the locked thread, but since they weren't supporting your silly crusade, you ignored them. Keep making a fool of yourself.
lol fourm troll
Doomheim
#34 - 2012-04-08 19:49:33 UTC
Looks lile i have more supporters than u now, this thread was locked for a reason. Maybe u do want to get bannedTwisted
Dennmoth Ferdier
Zero Gravity Productions
#35 - 2012-04-08 21:56:33 UTC  |  Edited by: Dennmoth Ferdier
Here, I spent a good 5 minutes googling this for you, please take the time to read it.

If you have joined only recently, you might not know who Akita T is. He is / was a substantial Science & Industry common sense, reason & logic powerhouse, of who I myself, along with many other people, had the pleasure of learning a lot from by reading his posts.

I hope this will enlighten you, the thread makes a good read, albeit a long one.

http://eve-search.com/thread/1360780-0
Boomhaur
#36 - 2012-04-08 22:20:38 UTC
Welcome to Eve Online, life is unfair, everyone is out to get YOU. It's not just your paranoia. We are out to steal, murder, exploit, scam, and a million other unmentionable things we are trying to do to you when you hit that log in button.

So why are you complaining about the poor old T2 BPO, after all this game was never meant to be fair, we pride ourselves in being probably the most evil sick sadistic MMO out there.

Oh and can you send me your stuff when you leave.

Welcome to Eve. Everyone here is an Evil Sick Sadistic Bastard who is out to get you. Anyone who tells you otherwise is either trying to scam you or use you.
Dersk
Perkone
Caldari State
#37 - 2012-04-08 22:24:04 UTC
Brewlar Kuvakei wrote:
a lot of retards making personal attacks


You injure my faith in humanity.
Haulie Berry
#38 - 2012-04-09 06:07:32 UTC
Every CCP analysis of T2 BPOs has unambiguously shown that they are not a problem. This is based on objective data, as opposed to threads like this which are wholly the product of someone's personal feelings (mostly envy).

That being the case, removal of T2 BPOs would effectively constitute the deletion of hundreds of billions in individual asset value not for the objective good of the game, but rather solely to quell the complaints of a vocal minority of players who are bad at math. This would not be a good precedent.
Karim alRashid
Starboard.
#39 - 2012-04-09 07:06:28 UTC  |  Edited by: Karim alRashid
Haulie Berry wrote:
Every CCP analysis of T2 BPOs has unambiguously shown that they are not a problem. This is based on objective data


Where is this objective data? Does it apply to all modules and ships or only to modules?

BTW, the issue of "XYZ BPO being a problem" is the same as "XYZ Invention not good enough", even if there's no actual "XYZ BPO". Lol

And yes, for a lot of ships invention is not good enough.

Pain is weakness leaving the body http://www.youtube.com/user/AlRashidKarim/videos
Haulie Berry
#40 - 2012-04-09 07:26:18 UTC
Quote:
Where is this objective data?


In every QEN that has ever discussed the topic.

Quote:
Does it apply to all modules and ships or only to modules?


It applies to the economy as a whole.
Quote:

BTW, the issue of "XYZ BPO being a problem" is the same as "XYZ Invention not good enough", even if there's no actual "XYZ BPO". Lol

And yes, for a lot of ships invention is not good enough.


About the only thing "wrong" with invention is that it's a hand-numbing clickfest.

The reason that invention doesn't seem to be "good enough" for some items is not because of the system, but because of the aforementioned math-averse players.

Ewar frigates, for example. There's no BPO. They almost invariably are either money losers or provide margins so thin that the production line is better used on something else.

If you were to "improve" invention - say by somehow allowing the ME of blueprints to be increased (as is so frequently suggested) - that situation would not change. The cost of building them would decrease, and the price would decrease to match. The problem is that the supply vastly outstrips the demand, and it is doing this solely with invention.

The industrialists responsible for saturating those markets are the same people who complain about BPOs. There's probably a touch of Dunning-Kruger at play here. They're bad at this to the point that they can't even identify that they are bad at it, and BPOs, to the neophyte industrialist, make for an easy scapegoat.