EVE General Discussion

Moaning and whining is mandatory in the general chat section. Just try not to take it serious and laugh it off, half of the complainers just want it their own way (like the CSM ignoring everyone elses needs except their own).

honestly? Its your house.
I can understand the need for diplomacy, but a post being flamebait is kind of secondary to the issue of people unaffiliated with CCP trying to direct forum policy by claiming that X and Y shouldn't be or should be posted.

its right up there with people telling other people to "quit, who needs ya?"

well CCP for that matter needs them, as well as people who play the game. Perhaps there should be lower tolerance for posts that attempt to undermine CCP's customer relationships (good and bad) on the forums.

am I making sense? do you get what I'm talking about?

Thing is fawning fanboism isn't that constructive either really. "Don't let the incarna-door hit you on the ass on your way out!" is not a great response for long-term previously loyal subscribers tired of CCP consistently neglecting and under-resourcing their core product.

I'd much rather the eve community found a unified voice calling on progressive change and much increased focus and funding of Eve Online from CCP to everyone's benefit (including CCP).

Silly divisions are just counterproductive at this point.

Well some might classify it that way but I don't think everyone does. Its a bit of mischaracterization to argue that anyone who is currently unhappy with the way CCP is running resourcing for Eve Online is such a bitter vet that nothing CCP do can possibly be seen with equanimity. I don't think thats the case at all.

Certainly in the past I've been amongst those that give very high praise to CCP on these forums and elsewhere in the gaming media when I've perceived they have done something positive and impressive. Hell, I even promoted these guys on the BBC, Dutch TV and the New York Times so I think fair's fair.

The problem is that the last few years have been one appalling mistep after another and its all coming home to roost.

Hence the mood does feel universally negative.

The ignorance in this thread is mind boggling. Some people need to learn the difference between "critiscism" constructive or not and "complaining".

I believe the OP is referring the the latter...which in the case of these forums there is quite a bit of and most of it is baseless.

OP:

At what point would you start fighting for something you love? What you have confused for bitching is very often passion for a hobby many of us have become deeply vested in over the course of years of play. If you don't understand that, then I doubt anything anyone in this thread could say would enlighten you.

Simon and Garfunkel: keep the customer satisfied

Gee but it's great to be back home
Home is where I want to be.
I've been on the road so long my friend,
And if you came along
I know you couldn't disagree.
CHORUS
It's the same old story
Everywhere I go,
I get slandered,
Libeled,
I hear words I never heard
In the Bible
And I'm one step ahead of the shoe shine
Two steps away from the county line
Just trying to keep my customers satisfied,
Satisfied.

Deputy Sheriff said to me
Tell me what you come here for, boy.
You better get your bags and flee.
You're in trouble boy,
And now you're heading into more.

CHORUS

People keep complaining because they still care.

once they stop caring they'll stop posting.


A top tier MMO with a sustained virtual universe, becomes far more than just a computer game in the way you look at a campaign or console game.

Eve is a Hobby. Eve(and other virtual worlds) becomes a meeting place between friends who often have known each other for years. Yes they are game friends, but we've all heard of out of game assitance people have extened in need and many of us have met out of game. We'll exchange stuff about our work day's in corp chat or over vent occasionally.. commiserate over wife agro or share stories of our kids.

There is no denying that my friendships online are true Social connections... not quite always as strong as many rl ones, but perhaps less superficial than many with coworkers or neighbors you greet and talk about the weather with.

So, given a hobby that people have enjoyed for years, and like many hobbies go, build upon their interest in a subject rather than jump back and fort to others on shallow level... and given our Mates we enjoy spending evenings with...

... people are going to fight to try catch whatever attention they can to make every incremental change possible to ameliorate those things that they feel would water down their hobby or risk their online butddies drift away to other places at a faster pace than they might have naturally (and more abruptly.. a gradual change allows for more invitations to join in other games etc..)

So yeah.... a lot of whining and complaining but.. I think in general if you get 100's of half ass thoughts, when they are thrown in apot and boiled what is left ends up beeing a pretty good picture of where things are at.

Yeah, I can deal with 99 out of a 100 missing the mark for in most, there is some slight nuance that I haven't quite taken into account..(if only to understand where someone i disagree with is coming from).

So your whole attitude is "well, either I don't get laid at all, or I accept a 50/50 chance that every time I get in the sack my partner will call in a large hairy smelly fat man to bugger me over a barrel... Oh well, might as well lube up, spread wide and think of England." then?

The rest of us live in a world where you're allowed to hold people to a higher standard, even if you don't expect them to meet it.

"If you haven't got anything good to say, don't say anything at all"

(Surely one of the most illogical statements written by mankind).

Simply because it's a "saying" does not mean its a valuable statement.

C.