EVE General Discussion

The problem is that PvE in this game is terrible, the only two interesting aspects are:

1) It's more or less a sand box style game.

2) Industry is quite in depth.

That's it. Your suggestion kills the sand box element of this game (which, by the way, drives the industry element), and what is worse is that experienced players and alts will just abuse this "care bear safe haven" to make ISK without any effort or risk, unless you make it so laughably unprofitable that there's little point in having it in the first place.

Anyway, that's beside the point, Eve has existed for so long because it is the only game of it's kind. Whilst there are a metric **** tonne of issues and things I dislike about this game, for years I've never left because there is simply no other game that allows this style of game play.

Your suggestion is essentially that CCP remove the one unique selling point from Eve, and then begin turning it in to WoW in space.

My prediction of the results: A small number of long time subscribers unsub, however Eve gets an influx of new players and the population booms. After six months to a year subscriptions start being cancelled as the new player base moves on to their new games. The old subscribers don't come back, as a result Eve very slowly dies over the next few years as new PvE content fails to bring in new subscriptions.

I don't consider myself an elite pvp master, but everyone has to admit that a pair of shitfit thrashers able to kill a 200m isk hulk in a few seconds is at the very least slightly unbalanced. Most of the gankers dont realize that their ships have to come from somewhere, and it's not gonna be drone lands any longer.

That being said, it shouldn't be hendered by game mechanics at all - just maybe balance the hp of exhumers a little bit better (or fitting) so the risk required to kill one is more than 5m isk.

Wow, such passion. Such fire. So many words to say basically nothing!

I've never been ganked, suicide or otherwise. I've died many times in wartime, but I've never been "ganked" (nor have I ganked anyone, I prefer combat to target practice).

Calling for a change in flawed mechanics is hardly something new for Eve is it? Change isn't evil.

Also, HTFU and derivatives got old as soon as the 4 minute video ended.

Eve needs to cater to all it's players.

The gankers wanna gank. I get that. I also think that part of the reason they gank in high sec is because 1) Null sec is hard to access and maintain any kind of supply line due to the control of the alliances and 2) Low sec is barren of good targets. I said that was only part of the reason... some people just like to pick on 'carebears', 'noobs' or whatever.

Then you have the casual miner, mission runner, industrialist et al who just wanna be left the hell alone. Get that too...

I think if CCP were to swing the pendulum too far towards either group then their business will suffer. I do agree with those who state that the fearsome reputation this game has does indeed drive sales to a certain extent. Right now, despite all the bitching from either side, we probably have a decent balance. CCP has made it slightly more difficult to be a high sec ganker but in no way have they moved to outlaw the practice... they just want to keep it balanced.

I have a suggestion... going back to the part above where I made a couple statements regarding low and null sec and the difficulties the small scale pirate has. I would like to see some movement on two fronts... first, getting more people into low sec... that increases the number of targets for the pirate community. Secondly, make it easier for the smaller scale pirates to get into null sec. If you can get past the wall the alliances have erected as a barrier to getting into their space, null sec is actually full of carebears. There are tons of nearly empty and unpatrolled systems perfect for gate camps and seeking out lone ratters or bots... the problem is getting there and staying supplied.

I think if these problems could be solved, to a degree, it would take some of the pressure off of high sec without CCP needing to further restrict pirate activities there.

I'm not long on good suggestions at this point, but here are a quick couple.

Low sec
-provide bigger and more numerous financial rewards there to draw more non-pirate players into these areas
-provide slightly safer ways to get there... maybe bigger gates to make gate camp survivability more likely.
-provide more routes...perhaps more high-sec to low sec gates and/or more wormhole routes

Null sec
-buff the orca to make it a jump capable ship that can go into low sec or high...people need a way to reship, resupply and repair in null sec if they are going to conduct operations there. If not the orca then maybe a new type of jump capable industrial ship carrier with a fitting service and ship hangar. Sure we have black ops but that is a huge training curve and jumping carriers into hostile null sec, well that's problematic too...


None of these may be decent ideas but I would like for CCP to create more oportunities for the ganker community than simply high sec. Simply making it harder and harder to operate in high sec isn't the answer if no alternatives are created. Otherwise I see that eventually, CCP is going to end up nurfing high sec piracy to death and I think that's going to be bad for the game.

I also worry that if burn Jita is too successful and combined with a new hulkageddon at the same time that it all might just result in CCP thinking they need to do something really stupid.

(I have my own theory that this is the actual point of all that but I will reserve that for the paranoia and conspiracy channel)....

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c'mon man I know you have more refined thoughts than this.

It's all worked out. Just because someone is yellow in high sec doesn't mean it's a free target.

There's a staggered sec drop penalty per system thats in place.

I think thats exactly the point. He doesn't want to fight.

That's kinda funny.

You call for more targets in high sec, but whatever agros in high sec is already a target, so the position is just a cop out.

I dont see any kind of threat to ganking in this thread.

Like I said you drop your guard, you get owned... period. Low sec, high sec, null sec. .. everywhere.

For all the bravado it does sound like that



unless youre a ganker, then youve got Concord protecting you

I like the idea of you being a free target. Its funny you DONT like that idea.
Shows your true cowardice better than anything

Liang, remember that in the current climate you probably wouldn't be allowed to shoot back.

And thank you for doing the good work. Have a like for it, but that's still an option that's waiting in the wings and could swoop out wearing half a mask and murder us at any time.