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Three Tengus + Assigned Fighters

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ohel elo
Republic Military School
Minmatar Republic
#1 - 2012-04-07 06:24:17 UTC
My ultimate ratting dream is to tri-box three Tengus with a carrier hugging a POS assigning fighters to them in Serpentis nullsec; -0.8 to -1.0 truesec.

Currently my three future-Tengus are in drakes, and I'm in the process of setting up ISboxer to box them, No fighters. I have some questions; first, for the drakes:

1) they all have T2 missiles with lvl 4 skills, decent drone skills, and a T2 tank. With three of them, what type of anomaly should I be running for max isk/hr?
2) What drones should I be using? I was going to go with hobgoblin II's. Have them all assist my primary character and set them on frigates.
3) Are three drakes capable of running escalations? How difficult, which ones?

And for the Tengus, if I've got fighters.
4) Should I be using some sort of RR set up?
5) What kind of dps could 3 tengus with 15 fighters do?
6) Should one Tengu be using precision missiles to burn down the small stuff, or will fighters be better at that?
7) Heavy Missile Launchers or Heavy Assault missile launchers?
8) Should I be blitzing sanctums with them, or running something else?
9) Would they be able to handle any escalation that gets thrown up, including The Maze?

And the big question:
10) Is this set up overkill for high end ratting (Sanctums, 10/10 Plex's), and how much isk/hr can this make (assuming undisturbed)?
Mathis Athins
Deep Core Mining Inc.
Caldari State
#2 - 2012-04-07 07:06:55 UTC
Quote:

1) they all have T2 missiles with lvl 4 skills, decent drone skills, and a T2 tank. With three of them, what type of anomaly should I be running for max isk/hr?
2) What drones should I be using? I was going to go with hobgoblin II's. Have them all assist my primary character and set them on frigates.
3) Are three drakes capable of running escalations? How difficult, which ones?


1)I would experiment with Havens and Sanctums to see which is better. My experience was Havens gave me better ticks, but with 3 ships the fact that sanctums are longer might provide better ISK.
2)Hobgoblin IIs.
3)I've run an 8/10 Serp with 3 ships before, a Tengu, a BS, and a BC if I recall. 3 Drakes alone might not be enough to break the tank of the station at the end, but it would be close. Can't say on the others as I have never run them.

Quote:
4) Should I be using some sort of RR set up?
5) What kind of dps could 3 tengus with 15 fighters do?
6) Should one Tengu be using precision missiles to burn down the small stuff, or will fighters be better at that?
7) Heavy Missile Launchers or Heavy Assault missile launchers?
8) Should I be blitzing sanctums with them, or running something else?
9) Would they be able to handle any escalation that gets thrown up, including The Maze?


4) For anoms you won't need it. You can easily set up a Tengu cheaply to solo any anom. With aggro split 3 ways you should be more than fine.
5)Well 3 Tengus with 3 T2 BCUs apiece and maxed skills would be around 1800 dps. Fighters will probably double that.
6)You will want a TP in your fits. With 3 TPs on it you should be able to pop frigs easily with fury.
7)HMLs, HAMs would bee too much to worry about trying to run tripleboxing.
8)Sanctums.
9)Honestly I can't say. Probably could fit them in some way to, never personally tried it.
Boomhaur
#3 - 2012-04-07 23:41:47 UTC
Be sure to come back and tell us how it goes, I have a hard time imagining running 2 tengu's at once, 3 at the same time sounds like a chore that requires a lot of upkeep. But be sure to come back to tell us how it is, I am curious.

Beyond that I wish I had something to actually to attribute concerning your questions. But if you find it too hard to keep up with 3 Tengus to control, you have a decent chunk of skills for a Nighthawk, which you can setup for more of a AFK friendly setup while you control the 1-2 other Tengu's more.

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Dibblerette
Solitude-Industries
#4 - 2012-04-08 05:42:53 UTC
From what I hear, fighters struggle to apply their full dps to anything smaller than a battleship. If you have 3 target painters, you might be okay, but frigates will still be a PITA without webs/changing ammo types.
Trading Unknown
Doomheim
#5 - 2012-04-08 16:37:49 UTC
Dibblerette wrote:
From what I hear, fighters struggle to apply their full dps to anything smaller than a battleship. If you have 3 target painters, you might be okay, but frigates will still be a PITA without webs/changing ammo types.


2x Rigor II, 1x Flare II. Fury can easily kill T2 npc frigates at that point.
GhostDragoon
Imperial Academy
Amarr Empire
#6 - 2012-04-08 21:39:04 UTC  |  Edited by: GhostDragoon
From experience, anything larger than a frigate icon is EASILY killed by fighters in any anom. The only 2 drone types I use in anoms are fighters & lights. Even then I'm only using lights when tackled by a frig that's not in smartbomb range, so about 95% fighters. they are very capable with high skills & make for a very efficient ratting practice. Combining that with the missile output of 3 x tengus you'll have no problems burning through any ship that you would come across in any anoms. TBH I would look at trying to put a setup together to run 10/10s If you're going for a high level setup go for the big bucks. It's hit & miss of course, but when you hit, you hit big.

~Ghost

EDIT: Another tip is to set hotkeys for drone assignments, for example I use Ctrl + D to tell all drones to attack target & Ctrl + R to have them all return to drone bay, but you could use it for return & orbit in that application. This makes things progress much quicker.
Svodola Darkfury
Federal Navy Academy
Gallente Federation
#7 - 2012-04-10 00:39:17 UTC
Fighters are approximately 100 dps per fighter, so 15 fighters would be 1500 added dps (strictly an EFT number).

Thanatos gets a bonus to fighter damage, but I recall hearing that this does not transfer when the fighters are assigned. Unconfirmed though.

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Koritougamaw
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#8 - 2012-04-10 01:38:50 UTC  |  Edited by: Koritougamaw
with my tengu that have 729 dps and 5 dragonfly's (i have fighters 4) i usually tick 34-38m every 20 minutes.
i am running forsaken hubs while a friend runs only the heaven with the stargate ( with the blue smoke in the air :P) because it gives serpentis fleet shipyard escalation which is the best isk maker for me atm. use 4 cn or dg bcu and get t2 rigs for missile velocity and **** like that to kill frigs with one or two shoot. also 1 or 2 tp's will help the fighters and guarantee 1 shot most frigs
Shaen Vesuvius
Redcoats
#9 - 2012-04-10 15:30:12 UTC
ohel elo wrote:
My ultimate ratting dream is to pay for FOUR accounts.

.......

Is this set up overkill for high end ratting (Sanctums, 10/10 Plex's), and how much isk/hr can this make (assuming undisturbed)?


yes, it's overkill for ratting sanctums. assume 20m+ a tick and a serious hatred for the world after constantly tabbing between accounts.

You are ccp marketingteam's wetdream of a customer.

Also 3 fitted tengu's+ carrier+ 4 GTCS equals howmuch ticks to pay for all that? Sounds like work to me, not fun.

Hans Tria
Dark Matter Inc
#10 - 2012-04-11 00:12:37 UTC
wrote:
. . . and I'm in the process of setting up ISboxer to box them . . .


Right click, report bot.
Arazel Chainfire
Aliastra
Gallente Federation
#11 - 2012-04-11 02:32:13 UTC
Hans Tria wrote:
wrote:
. . . and I'm in the process of setting up ISboxer to box them . . .


Right click, report bot.

ISboxer has been stated to be allowed by CCP.
ohel elo wrote:


My ultimate ratting dream is to tri-box three Tengus with a carrier hugging a POS assigning fighters to them in Serpentis nullsec; -0.8 to -1.0 truesec.

Currently my three future-Tengus are in drakes, and I'm in the process of setting up ISboxer to box them, No fighters. I have some questions; first, for the drakes:

1) they all have T2 missiles with lvl 4 skills, decent drone skills, and a T2 tank. With three of them, what type of anomaly should I be running for max isk/hr?
2) What drones should I be using? I was going to go with hobgoblin II's. Have them all assist my primary character and set them on frigates.
3) Are three drakes capable of running escalations? How difficult, which ones?

And for the Tengus, if I've got fighters.
4) Should I be using some sort of RR set up?
5) What kind of dps could 3 tengus with 15 fighters do?
6) Should one Tengu be using precision missiles to burn down the small stuff, or will fighters be better at that?
7) Heavy Missile Launchers or Heavy Assault missile launchers?
8) Should I be blitzing sanctums with them, or running something else?
9) Would they be able to handle any escalation that gets thrown up, including The Maze?

And the big question:
10) Is this set up overkill for high end ratting (Sanctums, 10/10 Plex's), and how much isk/hr can this make (assuming undisturbed)?


1. I would run forsaken hubs/forlorn hubs due to the extreme lack of frigates. no frigates means no time wasted shooting them down.
2. hobgoblin 2's or hornet 2's
3. 3 drakes can run most sites, but I would avoid the ones that you have to take down the stations at the end.
4. don't bother with RR, a mere t2 medium shield booster, 1 kin and 1 therm hardener are enough to tank any anomaly as long as you keep moving (aka, orbit a can or ship or whatever you prefer)
5. each tengu should be doing a minimum of 600 dps, just use scourge fury (i don't like using HAM's, though some people prefer that...) Mine with maxed skills would be spitting out 672 using just t2 BCU's, and as long as you have some rigor rigs on them you can pop frigates pretty quick
6. don't bother with precision, just keep fury in, sic fighters on battleships, missiles on cruisers, and work your way through
7. I would stick with heavy - HAM works, but it works best if you are solo and burn down the long range orbiters first, in a group you waste too much time getting into range.
8. again, I would run forsaken hubs/forlorn hubs to the lack of frigates
9. 3 tengu's is enough to do any anomaly, but be aware that for escalations fighters can't go through gates.
10. I was hitting 20mil isk/tick with 1 decent tengu, 1 poorly skilled tengu, and 10 fighters assigned. This usually dropped down to about 15mil isk/tick once I fleeted up with a few friends in drakes, etc. but I have since stopped doing this because I can hit 10mil isk/tick with alot less effort running 3 sentry/sniper domi's, and running domi's in groups made some annoying hotdroppers look elsewhere for their pickings. 4 domi's with a RR chain and just assigning sentries (assuming maxed skills) and 1 of them with an aggro gun would be an easy way to make 10mil isk/tick without using ISboxer though.

-Arazel
Hans Tria
Dark Matter Inc
#12 - 2012-04-11 04:15:19 UTC
Arazel Chainfire wrote:
Hans Tria wrote:
wrote:
. . . and I'm in the process of setting up ISboxer to box them . . .


Right click, report bot.

ISboxer has been stated to be allowed by CCP.


ISboxer automates clients that you are not manually controlling, thus it seems the program violates the EULA for those particular clients.

Risk it if you want, but I would definitely report it as botting if I saw it in game (and others very likely would as well).

Aggressive Nutmeg
#13 - 2012-04-11 04:27:46 UTC  |  Edited by: Aggressive Nutmeg
Hans Tria wrote:
Arazel Chainfire wrote:
Hans Tria wrote:
wrote:
. . . and I'm in the process of setting up ISboxer to box them . . .


Right click, report bot.

ISboxer has been stated to be allowed by CCP.


ISboxer automates clients that you are not manually controlling, thus it seems the program violates the EULA for those particular clients.

Risk it if you want, but I would definitely report it as botting if I saw it in game (and others very likely would as well).


No, ISBoxer duplicates your actions across multiple clients, but you are still manually controlling those clients.

Never make eye contact with someone while eating a banana.

Outlawd
Asset Seizure and Reclaimation
#14 - 2012-04-11 08:10:04 UTC
True bots = AFK..

I'd like to see this chap AFK with ISBoxer running. Sounds like a bunch of expensive losses.

In fact, I'd say Boxing 3 clients takes a degree more skill than just running one client. That's my attitude anyway. I find it mind-numbingly offensive that we have someone on this thread screaming "REPORT".

Sigh.