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nonstop non-consensual pvp is not a feature
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Ban Bindy
Bindy Brothers Pottery Association
True Reign
#1 - 2012-04-06 15:57:48 UTC
I am perfectly aware that non-consensual pvp is part of the game, but I am sick and tired of the fact that there is never any real relief from it. My alt corp has just had three weeks of war during which we lost more new members to the fact that they had nothing to do for a week but sit in dock. Now five days later we have yet another war dec by a one-man jita war dec corp who will cause the same problem. We've been at war with him before. Tons of RR alts. If we don't go to Jita he will catch one of our newbies who has undocked to mine in the middle of a war dec, or someone else who gets careless.

The new war dec rules are not going to change this in essence though they will help us make this kind of corp pay more. Continual wars have ruined our ability to recruit new players and keep them in the game. The myth that the new player can fit a warp scrambler onto a rifter and be of any help in a fleet is just that, a myth. Combat in Eve evolved beyond that a long time ago.

If we go to fight this guy he will dock up if our fleet is big enough to kill him. If we fight him in small groups his RR alts will enable him to kill us.

I don't have any problem with war decs in general but there should be a limit as to how many of these nuisance decs a corp should have to endure. How are we supposed to grow new players if all we can tell them is go away and do something else for a week?

Do wars have to last for a week?

Can't a corp that has already had a certain number of weeks of war get an equal amount of relief from new war decs?

Isn't there something that can be done to keep the war dec mechanic but make it livable for corps that try to attract and retain new players?:
Gogela
Epic Ganking Time
CODE.
#2 - 2012-04-06 16:03:46 UTC
:.(......

The tears... it's like it's raining tears...

Signatures should be used responsibly...
Quartzlight Evenstar Icefluxor
INLAND EMPIRE Operations
#3 - 2012-04-06 16:04:28 UTC  |  Edited by: Quartzlight Evenstar Icefluxor
Ban Bindy wrote:
Now five days later we have yet another war dec by a one-man jita war dec corp who will cause the same problem. We've been at war with him before. Tons of RR alts. If we don't go to Jita he will catch one of our newbies who has undocked to mine in the middle of a war dec, or someone else who gets careless.


You are complaining that you are LOCKED-DOWN by a One Man Corp ? Please, stop playing.

***
Karl Hobb
Imperial Margarine
#4 - 2012-04-06 16:05:39 UTC
This guy... 0/10

A professional astro-bastard was not available so they sent me.
Roime
Mea Culpa.
Shadow Cartel
#5 - 2012-04-06 16:06:16 UTC
Easiest way to avoid wardecs is to move out of hisec.

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Rengerel en Distel
#6 - 2012-04-06 16:07:34 UTC
Ban Bindy wrote:
I am perfectly aware that non-consensual pvp is part of the game, but I am sick and tired of the fact that there is never any real relief from it. My alt corp has just had three weeks of war during which we lost more new members to the fact that they had nothing to do for a week but sit in dock. Now five days later we have yet another war dec by a one-man jita war dec corp who will cause the same problem. We've been at war with him before. Tons of RR alts. If we don't go to Jita he will catch one of our newbies who has undocked to mine in the middle of a war dec, or someone else who gets careless.

The new war dec rules are not going to change this in essence though they will help us make this kind of corp pay more. Continual wars have ruined our ability to recruit new players and keep them in the game. The myth that the new player can fit a warp scrambler onto a rifter and be of any help in a fleet is just that, a myth. Combat in Eve evolved beyond that a long time ago.

If we go to fight this guy he will dock up if our fleet is big enough to kill him. If we fight him in small groups his RR alts will enable him to kill us.

I don't have any problem with war decs in general but there should be a limit as to how many of these nuisance decs a corp should have to endure. How are we supposed to grow new players if all we can tell them is go away and do something else for a week?

Do wars have to last for a week?

Can't a corp that has already had a certain number of weeks of war get an equal amount of relief from new war decs?

Isn't there something that can be done to keep the war dec mechanic but make it livable for corps that try to attract and retain new players?:


Well, he won't be able to use RR alts with the changes, that might be enough.

With the increase in shiptoasting, the Report timer needs to be shortened.
silens vesica
Corsair Cartel
#7 - 2012-04-06 16:07:36 UTC
Quote:
nonstop non-consensual pvp is not a feature

Yes, it is.

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ElQuirko
University of Caille
Gallente Federation
#8 - 2012-04-06 16:07:56 UTC
Ever heard of "dec shield alliance"? Jeeesus...

Dodixie > Hek
Tear Miner
Doomheim
#9 - 2012-04-06 16:08:23 UTC
You're right, it's not a feature. It's a god damned miracle in today's climate of hand holding, everyone's a snowflake MMOs. Go back to WoW.
Clolo
Perkone
Caldari State
#10 - 2012-04-06 16:10:19 UTC
Thanks OP for re-affirming why I love playing this game.
T' Elk
Strategically Bad
Goonswarm Federation
#11 - 2012-04-06 16:10:45 UTC
Wanna hire me? 500m and I'll dec the one man corp and extract you.

~Badposter since FOOOOREEEEEVAAAAAR~ I come back after 2 years to THIS? ~Now 4 years apparently
Micheal Dietrich
Kings Gambit Black
#12 - 2012-04-06 16:11:20 UTC
There will be several factors in the upcoming war mechanics that you may like.

For starters, and personally I am hoping they look at this as it affects my group, the base price for wars will be increased to 20 mil with an additional 500K per member in the defending corp. Personally I don't mind the up price in war, but I feel it should also reflect on the size of the attacker as well or else it will be a absolute monster for me and mine to go after some of the larger groups (not to mention alliances will be out of the question.

Second - RR's will be flagged and will gain aggression (if I'm understanding this part correctly). What does this mean? Bait him. Find out where the guy is and keep several of your ships at the gate outside of the system and fly in with said smaller group. Once they start aggressing, warp everyone in and destroy his whole **** parade.

Third - Once war is over there will be one week of cease fire between both parties. This means they cannot just re-up the dec.

Four - It will be harder for the aggressor to drop the dec now

Five - Defender will be able to bring in a ally for home defense. They are actually creating a merc corp page where you can look for and bargain with mercs in your area.




Also, try to inform your pilots not to mine or mission run during a war. We at the IEEE consider that quite a serious offense in corporate management abilities.

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Alua Oresson
League of the Shieldy
SLYCE Pirates
#13 - 2012-04-06 16:15:03 UTC
Ban Bindy wrote:
I am perfectly aware that non-consensual pvp is part of the game, but I am sick and tired of the fact that there is never any real relief from it. My alt corp has just had three weeks of war during which we lost more new members to the fact that they had nothing to do for a week but sit in dock. Now five days later we have yet another war dec by a one-man jita war dec corp who will cause the same problem. We've been at war with him before. Tons of RR alts. If we don't go to Jita he will catch one of our newbies who has undocked to mine in the middle of a war dec, or someone else who gets careless.

The new war dec rules are not going to change this in essence though they will help us make this kind of corp pay more. Continual wars have ruined our ability to recruit new players and keep them in the game. The myth that the new player can fit a warp scrambler onto a rifter and be of any help in a fleet is just that, a myth. Combat in Eve evolved beyond that a long time ago.

If we go to fight this guy he will dock up if our fleet is big enough to kill him. If we fight him in small groups his RR alts will enable him to kill us.

I don't have any problem with war decs in general but there should be a limit as to how many of these nuisance decs a corp should have to endure. How are we supposed to grow new players if all we can tell them is go away and do something else for a week?

Do wars have to last for a week?

Can't a corp that has already had a certain number of weeks of war get an equal amount of relief from new war decs?

Isn't there something that can be done to keep the war dec mechanic but make it livable for corps that try to attract and retain new players?:


This is your trial by fire. You are either a predator or a victim in Eve. Decide which you want to be. By this post you are making yourself out to be the victim. Expect more wardecs to your corp shortly. You have just advertised that you are weak and ripe for the picking.

Also, a Magnate is not what they had in mind when people said get into a frigate and fight.

http://pvpwannabe.blogspot.com/
Darth Tickles
Doomheim
#14 - 2012-04-06 16:15:12 UTC
All hufblurf aside, neutral RR is ******* stupid.
sYnc Vir
Wolfsbrigade
Ghost Legion.
#15 - 2012-04-06 16:15:33 UTC
just more to amarr space and sell **** in Amarr instead. Minings better there anyway and no ecm rats. Plus you get to sell you **** at a little extra most of the time.

Jita bunnies tend not to fly to Amarr....





... Though they may log on their Amarr griefer if they really want to kill you.

Besides once the new crimewatch comes in, just shoot the RR. He wont be able to dock until hes stops repping and shooting.

Don't ask about Italics, just tilt your head.
Kale Kold
Deep Core Mining Inc.
Caldari State
#16 - 2012-04-06 16:16:01 UTC
Ban Bindy wrote:
My alt corp has just had three weeks of war during which we lost more new members to the fact that they had nothing to do for a week but sit in dock.

Grow a pair, instead of cowering in the corner? Roll

“Some people call me insane for the destruction I’ve caused, ...I believe I was just doing my duty!” -- Testimony submitted to Caldari Navy war crimes tribunal.
Nova Fox
Novafox Shipyards
#17 - 2012-04-06 16:17:53 UTC
I think the gank bears are going to resort to war deccing smaller corps unable to afford the mercs instead.

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Ifly Uwalk
Perkone
Caldari State
#18 - 2012-04-06 16:18:42 UTC
/me takes note of OP's corp name...
Malcanis
Vanishing Point.
The Initiative.
#19 - 2012-04-06 16:21:47 UTC
Ban Bindy wrote:
I am perfectly aware that non-consensual pvp is part of the game, but I am sick and tired of the fact that there is never any real relief from it. My alt corp has just had three weeks of war during which we lost more new members to the fact that they had nothing to do for a week but sit in dock. Now five days later we have yet another war dec by a one-man jita war dec corp who will cause the same problem.


You have the same problem but it's not being war-dec'd. It's being too gutless to actually try fighting in case you lose a few precious pixels learning something and maybe actually having some fun.

Buy some Blackbirds, Drakes, Rifters, etc. Get some decent PvP fits (feel free to ask in this thread). Insure them. Fight.

"Just remember later that I warned against any change to jump ranges or fatigue. You earned whats coming."

Grath Telkin, 11.10.2016
Ersteen Hofs
Republic University
Minmatar Republic
#20 - 2012-04-06 16:26:56 UTC
You and all your corp mates should quit this game, CCP does not want the likes of you in their elite game. You are simply not good enough to be their customers. You do not deserve the right to give them your money, so get your worthless tear stained chips and use them to buy a tiessue instead, and never dare to come back to the glorious CCP with them unless you want to provide more sport to the superior human beings the true CCP user base is. Just get your money elsewhere! This is new CCP motto and it's guaranteed to succeed in the long run, whether you believe it or not.

What, sounds stupid? Well apparently it does not when spoke by a goon spy! Let's just wish them all luck. At least it's gonna be fun to watch.
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