Market Discussions

my problem with that is this
i join amarr miltia and i killed what i have in minmitar standings.

thankfully, datacores can still be farmed from agents, just not as much.

and this is why I have 30,000 amarr data cores although still shoulda put it into zydrine with the rest of my money

As someone that has been in amarr fw (on other char) for 2-3 years, amarr are certainly not winning in minmatar vs amarr ATM.

The combination of SPDR and elects matari joining minmatar along with all the usual suspects makes them numerically superior in most times zones

You cannot win in factional warfare.

If you must keep digging, sure.

As it stands Amarr (and Caldari) have a massive advantage when it comes to generating isk.

This inbalance has existed for a very long time, pretty much since FW was introduced, but it has been exacerbated by shifts in the market, the metagame and the game code. The simple fact is that Amarr/Caldari FW promotions are an extremely valuable reward to which Minmatar/Gallente have no equivalent. The value is mostly derived from the fact that Jita is the market hub of choice and the high sec near Jita is the POS anchoring area of choice, so Caldari standings (and Amarr standings by derivation) are significantly more valuable than Minmatar/Gallente.

If this situation persists after the upcomming changes, then you can expect Amarr to remain the more attractive side for carebearing (in the Amarr/Minmatar FW zone at least) and you can expect Amarr LP and Amarr LP derived datacores to be pushed down.

I haven't seen anything concrete from CCP to suggest they are going to remove the standings rewards from FW promotions. So until I hear otherwise, Amarr LP derived datacores are not the investment I would favour.

Not really. I was just choosing not to redicule the rest of your post out of kindness.


There is no military underdog in factional warfare, because there is no victory to achieve. The concept of winning in factional warfare as it stands is as daft as the concept of winning at mining. You can have fun, you can make isk, you can score kills, you can smug over battle reports, you can participate, but you cannot win.


There is no superiority that comes from numbers alone, you must have figured that much out in the 2-3 years you have spent in factional warfare.


Firstly, you can farm Amarr missions in a stealth bomber. You shouldn't, because it's inefficient, but then so is farming minmatar missions in a stealth bomber.


Just because a lot of people do something doesn't mean it's a good idea, or that it's the most profitable thing to do.

People with a good understanding of the game mechanics will always outperform those that don't have a clue. It's the way of eve.

I don't know how you draw any kind of parallel between what I said and that drivel.

For one, the Amarr and the Minmatar factions are at war with eachother and will be so from now until the servers are switched off.

Secondly, all worthwhile analysis of military strength is based on achievable objectives. As it stands there are no objectives within factional warfare and nothing can be achieved beyond the entertainment and enrichment of the participants. It doesn't matter how many people are in either militia, it doesn't matter how many ships they have, how many capitals, supercapitals, FCs, moons, POSes, ibises, exotic dancers or forum posters they have it will not allow them to achieve objectives that they do not have.

Just the same as if the US Marine core hired two million chefs, it wouldn't aid them one bit unless their objective as a force was to make a decent omelette... and even then, having eaten military food, I'd say they'd be in trouble.

The point I was originally making, which shouldn't suprise you in the Market Discussions forum, was a market one. The value of LP depends on the amount of LP generated, the more there is the less it is worth. It doesn't matter how many people are in a militia, how many are carebears or how much time they spend carebearing, it only matters how many LP they generate and LP generation has more to do with technique and game knowledge that it does about numbers.

The fact is that there are a small cadre of people in a handfull of corps within the Amarr milita that are making isk at rates that you would not believe. They are pumping out wealth faster than they could incursioning, C6 wormholing or Titan ratting. For these people LP is but one product of their procedure and it is dumped into whatever shifts in volume with the minimum of fuss. What is more, these people are now stockpiling a portion of their LP in the expectation of expansion introduced content that gives them better isk/LP conversion. These people will, knowingly and without regard for others, crash the Amarr datacore price as soon as it shows the slightest sign of being viable.

Any talk about PvP within FW is a sideshow, at least within this forum, and if you want to engage me in a debate about the relative worth of the Amarr and Minmatar, given that I have considerable experience FCing both sides going back to when FW was introduced, I'd happily have that discussion in a more appropriate venue.

We'll see. Either way it'll be interesting and provided you've chosen the right side of the coin, you'll make a nice profit.


I'm not particularly clever, but I can tie my own shoes.

I just make it my business within EVE to learn things and figure stuff out. Like they say, knowledge is power. Doing the same thing as everyone else has never been the path to riches in EVE. I prefer to find something a little unauthadox, something that only a few others may have figured out and scale it as far as it will go. Then, when the time is right, I try to make an extremely profitable exit.

The miltias, it's sad to say, are not entities that select for the resourceful or knowledgeable. Given the limited nature of it as a game feature (thanks CCP) it's not exactly the first choice for someone who wants to push the boundaries.


No. I've hardly done anything worthwhile with BB. He's just an alt that made a name for himself on the forums.

You'll have to take my word on it, or not, it's not like convincing you of this is on my agenda. I'm just here for the profit.

Bad Booby is absolute correct, i spoke to 2 corp mates farming Amarr LP with their alts. It's kinda funny how much profit a Navy Geddon can yield. Anyway, knowing that i bought out Amarr and Jita several times at about 205m to 220m stockpiled it and sold some with a nice profit in Jita again. With Abaddons about 230m and rising and Geddons itself getting expansive, Navy Geddons won't be that cheap ever again. In other words Navy Geddons won't be below Abaddons in price as both ships have neraly the same perfomance.

I told my mates to stockpile LP like crazy because CCP has dropped some note that they will nerf the easy LP farming in FW and if that happens FW LP's will be much more worth. In the end it all depends on how many will do FW LP farming as BB said.

May Bad Bobby and all his alts, from this time forth be known as 'chief nappy changer by appointment to the royal court of King Rudolph III of WungaWungaLand'.

I think this thread has reached its end-of-life....it was fun (for me at least)